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Post by Kee on Jan 16, 2004 22:06:05 GMT -5
People like you and Traffic don't like it when you get treated the way you treat others huh? Not very pleasant hmmm? Just like him, you think its just the greatest thing to insult and hurt others feelings. But when it comes to your own thats and entirely different story. But ohhh just a minute I forgot its okay for you and him to be flippant and disregard what other people consider to be evidence of their beliefs, just because your not Christian. But Christians on the other hand, they just better not stand up for themselves! You will get from me the treatment you give to others. Play nice and Ill play nice, otherwise Im a pitbull. Beth really -- your demeanor is just too obnoxious for me to take seriously or give any credibility to anything you think. In other words, your high and mighty opinion of yourself is about all that comes across in your post. Oh, and your debating skills are equally as poor and unconvincing
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Post by Kee on Jan 16, 2004 22:18:50 GMT -5
Kee, Do you trust the ALL That Is? If you do..would you trust Him enough to be Lord of your life? If you TRULY believe that God is the ALL That Is and that He created ALL THAT IS..then I GUARANTEE you that He more than capable of being Lord of your life!!!!!!!! That's why I have my doubts as to how much you trust God!!! You assume that since I don't believe as you do that I don't trust God, the All That Is. You are free to do so, however that doesn't make it so.
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Post by michaeldark on Jan 16, 2004 23:11:56 GMT -5
I chose other myself. I interpret certain things to be figurative and literal depending on how I see them and how convincing I think the evidence is.
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Post by SonWorshiper on Jan 17, 2004 1:39:38 GMT -5
Quote by TD:Evolutionary theory is not "what scientists think may have occurred," it is what the evidence shows did occur. My Response:Sure it does. Whatever you say, dude. And, as usual, it's been blast!
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Post by Traffic Demon on Jan 17, 2004 1:52:57 GMT -5
Beth - "Thats all this is with you isn't it? You just have to win that point."I already have, through the evidence presented. The fun part was that it was never even close. "You just have to shove your UNWANTED opinion down others throats."Unwanted or not, evolutionary theory is a significant part of God's Creation. "I have looked at what you called 'evidence' its all fanciful crap."Do you have a specific criticism of any piece of evidence presented? If so, by all means, feel free to show how any of the evidence I have presented fails to support evolutionary theory. "Full of we think, it might be, it could be, its possible, etc. etc. ad nauseum."Once again, this is simply the language used in scientific writings. I don't see why the young Earth creationists have such a problem with the language used, when this is the language that has been used in science for centuries. "You say the others have no evidence, well I have looked at theirs too, and it holds just as much water as your garbage does."Oh really? Would you care to present even a single piece of evidence that you feel supports young Earth creationism? In all the time that I've participated in such debates, I've yet to see even one that stood up to scientific scrutiny. "So, unless you can produce a viable witness to creation..."Once again, direct observation is not a requirement to determine that an event has occurred when that event has left evidence of its pkmtyolping. "What do you call your complete disregard of Genisis?"What disregard of Genesis? I believe every word of the book, I simply do not interpret it literally. There is a huge difference. SonWorshiper - Quote by TD:Evolutionary theory is not "what scientists think may have occurred," it is what the evidence shows did occur. My Response:Sure it does. Whatever you say, dude. Again, that evolutionary theory is accurate is not simply whatever I say, it's what has been demonstrated as true by the physical evidence for nearly 150 years. Once again, the young Earth creationists have not only failed to present any evidence that would support their model of Creation, but haven't even come up with a valid criticism of evolutionary theory or the evidence supporting it. Lather, rinse, repeat. --DX TD
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jan 17, 2004 6:23:19 GMT -5
Beth - "Thats all this is with you isn't it? You just have to win that point."I already have, through the evidence presented. The fun part was that it was never even close. "You just have to shove your UNWANTED opinion down others throats."Unwanted or not, evolutionary theory is a significant part of God's Creation. According to you and all the other evolutionists."What do you call your complete disregard of Genisis?"What disregard of Genesis? I believe every word of the book, I simply do not interpret it literally. There is a huge difference. Your disregard of the Genesis accounts of Creation, the Original Sin, the Global Flood of Noah's day and the Tower of Babel. You don't believe that they actually happened, therefore you disregard them. Once again, the young Earth creationists have not only failed to present any evidence that would support their model of Creation, but haven't even come up with a valid criticism of evolutionary theory or the evidence supporting it. Lather, rinse, repeat. What proof do we need for our model of Creation? It's there in the Bible. And there is no Biblical support for the theory of the evolution of ManAndy.
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Post by hounddawg on Jan 17, 2004 11:03:23 GMT -5
Hmm...let's see now.Some here believe that Jesus was crucified on the cross,laid in a tomb,for three days,amd then rose again from the dead,huh? Pretty amazing stuff!!! But yet again..they find it teetotally impossible for God to have created the earth in six days and for Him to have created man from the dust as His word says that He did.And there was just no way for man to have lived for 200 years or for a flood that was God's will to have happened.And as for a little rainbow in the sky? No way on that either!!! Hmmmm...God could come to earth in human form,save us from our sins,but He couldn't create something from nothing? Amazing..simply amazing!!!
WELL...label me a "fool" with the rest of the creationists but it works for me!!!!!!!!
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Post by Beth on Jan 17, 2004 11:07:40 GMT -5
Beth really -- your demeanor is just too obnoxious for me to take seriously or give any credibility to anything you think. In other words, your high and mighty opinion of yourself is about all that comes across in your post.
Oh, and your debating skills are equally as poor and unconvincing
Kee whatever. Im so sorry you don't like the way Im treating TD, but it is how he has treated other people on this site. Not very attractive is it? But it seemed that you didn't mind his obnoxious behavior, so Im bewildered as to why you mind me acting JUST LIKE HIM!
And um, where were your "sensibilities" when he ran off someone who was just trying to have a decent conversation with him??? And then congratulated himself about it?
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Post by Beth on Jan 17, 2004 11:13:56 GMT -5
TD, no you have won nothing.
I remain unconvinced.
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Post by SonWorshiper on Jan 17, 2004 11:14:14 GMT -5
TD, You make statements like: "Evolutionary theory is not "what scientists think may have occurred," it is what the evidence shows did occur."and; "Unwanted or not, evolutionary theory is a significant part of God's Creation."You can repeat this mantra all you like, but it still won't make it true. And I find it rather amusing that you claim such overwhelming victory in these debates, yet reap such a small harvest of influence, as evidenced by your own poll. You'd think, if you were as convincing as you think you are, you'd win some people over to your way of thinking, especially since you claim the truth is so overwhelming in your favor. Granted, the victor in a debate cannot be determined solely by the amount of people they win over, but the lack of influence you've had is an indication that you're not nearly the clear-cut winner you think you are. In fact, because Darwinism only gives answers in terms of possibilities, probabilities, suppositions, may have's, scientists think, evidential suggestions, and a bunch of coulda's, woulda's and shoulda's, it is absolutely impossible for you to claim absolute victory. And you and I both know I am absolutely right. Therefore, you would do yourself well to quit trying.
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Post by Kee on Jan 17, 2004 11:38:37 GMT -5
Kee whatever. Im so sorry you don't like the way Im treating TD, but it is how he has treated other people on this site. Not very attractive is it? But it seemed that you didn't mind his obnoxious behavior, so Im bewildered as to why you mind me acting JUST LIKE HIM! Ahhh, but you don't act just like him Beth. You act like a scorned female. How you look is up to YOU, and by the way is completely inconsequential to either myself or Traffic.
Oh yes, your "personal" rub with Traffic that's been readily apparent in you since you entered this thread. The ownership of this grudge is yours, Beth, so take responsibility for it. Sorry, but blaming Traffic is not gonna fly with me.
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Post by Beth on Jan 17, 2004 13:40:28 GMT -5
SCORNED? Nope happily married with one son. That son by the way, has more respect for people than either you or traffic. Guess why because I taught him. Im not going to back off of traffic until he apologises to that lady for what he did. OOOPS I forgot he can't! He ran her off and had himself a yeah me party. Go chant something.
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Post by babysis on Jan 17, 2004 14:08:01 GMT -5
I will say this once more as a mod. EVERYONE take a deep breath and rethink how they are saying what they are saying. The insulting attitudes and words will stop. This is for EVERYONE. I have already talked to one person in private but now I'm warning everyone on the thread.
From the TOS "You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, hapkmtyolring, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of ANY law"
There have been some abusive and hateful things said here and they will stop.
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Post by Traffic Demon on Jan 17, 2004 16:59:51 GMT -5
I2AM4GOD - "'Unwanted or not, evolutionary theory is a significant part of God's Creation.'
According to you and all the other evolutionists."
And who is better qualified to state what scientific principles are valid than the scientists?
"Your disregard of the Genesis accounts of Creation, the Original Sin, the Global Flood of Noah's day and the Tower of Babel. You don't believe that they actually happened, therefore you disregard them."
I believe every word of the accounts of those events, I simply do not interpret them literally. Interpreting a pkmtyolpage as figurative does not equate to interpreting it as false, nor does it equate to disregarding it.
"What proof do we need for our model of Creation? It's there in the Bible."
Yet the Bible is a religious text, not intended to reveal scientific truths, and as such inadmissable in a scientific discussion. Truth will always be consistent with truth. If the young Earth creationist model based on a literal interpretation of Genesis is true, then it will be confirmed as such by the physical evidence. Since not a shred of evidence exists to support the young Earth creationist model, it cannot be regarded as true.
"And there is no Biblical support for the theory of the evolution of Man"
Nor is there biblical support for the theory of a heliocentric solar system, general relativity, germ theory of disease, continental drift, Ohm's law, etc., yet all these theories are likewise demonstrated to be accurate by the evidence.
hounddawg - "Some here believe that Jesus was crucified on the cross,laid in a tomb,for three days,amd then rose again from the dead,huh? Pretty amazing stuff!!! But yet again..they find it teetotally impossible for God to have created the earth in six days and for Him to have created man from the dust as His word says that He did."
That is because while mountains of evidence exist which demonstrated that the Earth was not created in six literal days, and that our species was not created apart from all other species, there is not single piece of evidence capable of refuting the resurrection of Jesus. Whether that event occurred is entirely a matter of faith, and as such, wholly outside the realm of science. Now, if you feel that evidence exists which would demonstrate that the Earth actually was created in six literal days, or that the evolutionary model of human existence is somehow incorrect, please feel free to present it.
"And there was just no way for man to have lived for 200 years"
Nope, but again, if you believe that there was, by all means, please present some evidence that would demonstrate that they did.
"or for a flood that was God's will to have happened."
Geologists, Christian or not, have recognized for over two hundred years that the physical evidence is entirely inconsistent with the possibility of a global flood. Once again, if you feel that the evidence says otherwise, please present it.
"God could come to earth in human form,save us from our sins,but He couldn't create something from nothing?"
Nobody has said that God "couldn't create something from nothing," only that the evidence proved hundreds of years ago that God's creation did not take place in a manner consistent with a literal interpretation of Genesis.
Beth - "TD, no you have won nothing."
Where is the evidence which would contradict my statements then?
SonWorshiper - "You can repeat this mantra all you like, but it still won't make it true."
You are right; it is not my repeating those statements which demonstrates them to be true, it is the evidence that I have presented in support of those statement which demonstrates them to be true.
"And I find it rather amusing that you claim such overwhelming victory in these debates, yet reap such a small harvest of influence, as evidenced by your own poll."
Actually, that poll is some of the greatest evidence I could hope for in demonstrating the young Earth creationist model to be false. Six days later, six pages later, and thirteen people affirming that they support the young Earth creationist model, and not a single shred of scientifically valid evidence presented in support of that model. Were the young Earth creationist model truly accurate, its supporters would not be this incapable of presenting evidence to bolster their claims.
"You'd think, if you were as convincing as you think you are, you'd win some people over to your way of thinking, especially since you claim the truth is so overwhelming in your favor."
If one is willing to honestly examine the evidence, they'll eventually come around. Again, the present model of the universe accepted by science has mountains of evidence in its support, while the young Earth creationist model has none. To the individual honestly interested in determining truth, that in itself says volumes.
"the lack of influence you've had is an indication that you're not nearly the clear-cut winner you think you are."
Take a look at a peer-reviewed scientific journal some time and see just how much influence the young Earth creationist model has had on scientific principles. I can save you some time and tell you that it has had none, for the simple reason that it has no evidence to support it. It is that simple fact that caused the scientific community to recognize that a literal interpretation of Genesis was not consistent with reality over two hundred years ago. If you're going to determine validity by influence, the young Earth creationist model has none.
"In fact, because Darwinism only gives answers in terms of possibilities, probabilities, suppositions, may have's, scientists think, evidential suggestions, and a bunch of coulda's, woulda's and shoulda's, it is absolutely impossible for you to claim absolute victory."
I have not claimed absolute victory, I have merely claimed that evolutionary theory describes the evidence to a degree that no other model remotely approaches, and has been recognized to do so for over a century. However, given the physical evidence, the probability of evolutionary being true approaches 100% as closely as any other scientific principle, while the absolute lack of evidence in support of the young Earth creationist model renders its possibility of being true zero.
--The Traf There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who get binary, and those who don't.
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Post by michaeldark on Jan 17, 2004 17:17:24 GMT -5
You know,why do you people keep making these silly things? Isn't it more Christian to agree to disagree instewad of fighting,hurting eachother's feelings,name calling,accusing people of lying,and demonstrating the fact that both sides of the arguement are totally ignorant toward eachother. Or to claim one isn';t a Christian because they have seen the physical evidence and isn't convinced that the 6 day creation is consistant with the physical evidence God has presented to us through his first daughter,Nature? DESPITE the fact he has said SEVERAL THOUSAND TIMES SINCE JULY ALONE that he believes in the Lord and accepts Christ as the Lord and ruler of his soul?
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