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Post by christian on Feb 5, 2006 11:00:58 GMT -5
As someone who doesn't accept that the Genesis account of Creation is a parable - unless the Lord says so in His Word, and He doesn't - I believe that He created bacteria and viruses in the very beginning, and that some became dangerous after the fall of Man when Creation fell into disharmony. Adam and Eve were prevented from eating from the tree of life, and as a result became susceptible to diseases, and eventually death. God Bless, Andy.
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Post by LauraJean on Feb 10, 2006 0:33:35 GMT -5
I think the story of the fall is a parable and that bacteria has been dangerous as long as humans existed. Then how do you account for the introduction of evil/sinful nature into humankind? Peace, LJ
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Post by Pietro on Feb 10, 2006 8:45:48 GMT -5
I think the story of the fall is a parable and that bacteria has been dangerous as long as humans existed. Then how do you account for the introduction of evil/sinful nature into humankind? Peace, LJ At some point we crossed the developmental threshold between the moral innocence of instinct that an animal has when it kills and the guilt of conscience knowing that we have done wrong. God gave us a conscience and from the earliest moment of that realization some chose to ignore it and others to follow it. It is ignored because of pride and a desire to make our own rules just as the story of the fall express so well.
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Post by LauraJean on Feb 10, 2006 14:12:16 GMT -5
I think I see what you're saying. Do you think this is what Paul is talking about in Romans: 7:7 What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet." 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of covetous desire. For apart from law, sin is dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death.?
But then doesn't that completely pkmtyolp over the inherited nature of sin? We see multiple references to the Sin of Adam, the sins of the fathers, sinful even in the womb, sinfulness by our very natures. In your scenario, it seems like you are saying that sin is a choice we each make but I think the Bible is clear that there is more to it than that.
Thanks in advance for your thoughtful and thought-provoking response!
Blessings, LJ
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Post by Pietro on Feb 10, 2006 16:08:55 GMT -5
But then doesn't that completely pkmtyolp over the inherited nature of sin? We see multiple references to the Sin of Adam, the sins of the fathers, sinful even in the womb, sinfulness by our very natures. In your scenario, it seems like you are saying that sin is a choice we each make but I think the Bible is clear that there is more to it than that. Thanks in advance for your thoughtful and thought-provoking response! Blessings, LJ We not only have a choice but also an inclination to chose wrongly. I think a lot of it has to do with struggling with a moral choice over an instinctual choice. We instinctually want to have pleasure now, eat, have sex, take what "I want". Ego centered like a child. Spirituality takes us out of our selfcenteredness to consider others and even make sacrifice for them and, of course, to seek God who is beyond our control and grasp. I think what St. Paul was talking about was that when someone tells us what not to do (law), we sometimes have an inclination to do it all the more.
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Post by christian on Mar 14, 2006 9:11:34 GMT -5
Pietro,
I don't think the words "instinctual" and "instinctually" really exist. Do you mean "instinctive" and "instinctively" by any chance?
God Bless, CJ86
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Post by Pietro on Mar 19, 2006 10:30:58 GMT -5
Pietro, I don't think the words "instinctual" and "instinctually" really exist. Do you mean "instinctive" and "instinctively" by any chance? God Bless, CJ86 "Instinctual" is a word according to Webster but "instinctive" has the adverbial form "instinctively' which sounds better than "instunctually" which is not in the dictionary.
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