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Post by christian on Sept 8, 2005 12:58:22 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Philip, but we Christians are sinners too, saved only by the shed blood of Christ.
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Sept 8, 2005 13:05:46 GMT -5
I'm sorry, Philip, but we Christians are sinners too, saved only by the shed blood of Christ. Yes, but when does God say that he pours out his wrath on his Children? SHOW ME in scripture this stuff that you are stating as fact. Everything goes back to scripture.
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Post by christian on Sept 9, 2005 5:03:37 GMT -5
Philip,
Do you need me to point out to you the many times mentioned in the Bible when God punished His biblical people? Remember that God is Love, but He is also a jealous God who will judge those who continue to disobey Him.
God Bless, Andy.
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Post by marysia on Sept 9, 2005 8:05:48 GMT -5
wow, really thought you'd have some shelters as well. guess we're far enough in the northern tip (Jax) that they feel it's a safe bet. however with ordelia coming - thankfully not too strongly - i'm not 100% sure That would be Ophelia dear. Do you know where that name is from? ROTFL -- thanks! guess i was thinking of my aunt Ordelia with the rather booming personality she too just seems to stick around and linger LOL she's a sweeting really. I'm with babysis on the Hamlet reference?! but you have my curiousity piqued!
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Post by marysia on Sept 9, 2005 8:10:02 GMT -5
Philip, Do you need me to point out to you the many times mentioned in the Bible when God punished His biblical people? Remember that God is Love, but He is also a jealous God who will judge those who continue to disobey Him. God Bless, Andy. Andy, while this was directed to Philip, I hope you don't mind my 2 cents worth.... while you are correct that God poured out many punishments all throughout the Old Testament, He did so - after - warning those believers, those faith filled. Think of the time the angel of death took down the first born males.... those doorposts marked were unharmed. While yes, God does pour out His wrath, He does not wish His faithful to be harmed. If indeed this hurricane and any other natural disaster was a "sign from God" where was His warning to His children first? In reading the variety of Scruptires pertaining to His wrath, His Mercy always supercedes. Just my thoughts, marysia
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Sept 9, 2005 9:50:01 GMT -5
That would be Ophelia dear. Do you know where that name is from? ROTFL -- thanks! guess i was thinking of my aunt Ordelia with the rather booming personality she too just seems to stick around and linger LOL she's a sweeting really. I'm with babysis on the Hamlet reference?! but you have my curiousity piqued! You are both correct. Ophelia was Hamlet's would be love interest, but he spurned her because the ghost of his father wanted him to avenge him and so Hamlet didn't want Ophelia caught up in it. She ended up throwing herself into a river and drowning.
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Post by marysia on Sept 9, 2005 13:31:21 GMT -5
ROTFL -- thanks! guess i was thinking of my aunt Ordelia with the rather booming personality she too just seems to stick around and linger LOL she's a sweeting really. I'm with babysis on the Hamlet reference?! but you have my curiousity piqued! You are both correct. Ophelia was Hamlet's would be love interest, but he spurned her because the ghost of his father wanted him to avenge him and so Hamlet didn't want Ophelia caught up in it. She ended up throwing herself into a river and drowning. DROWNING -- yeah that's Ophie LOL
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Post by christian on Sept 10, 2005 6:30:28 GMT -5
Philip, Do you need me to point out to you the many times mentioned in the Bible when God punished His biblical people? Remember that God is Love, but He is also a jealous God who will judge those who continue to disobey Him. God Bless, Andy. Andy, while this was directed to Philip, I hope you don't mind my 2 cents worth.... while you are correct that God poured out many punishments all throughout the Old Testament, He did so - after - warning those believers, those faith filled. Think of the time the angel of death took down the first born males.... those doorposts marked were unharmed. While yes, God does pour out His wrath, He does not wish His faithful to be harmed. If indeed this hurricane and any other natural disaster was a "sign from God" where was His warning to His children first? In reading the variety of Scruptires pertaining to His wrath, His Mercy always supercedes. Just my thoughts, marysia Marysia, Are you assuming that the secular, God-hating, media would have covered God's warning to the people of New Orleans? Who's the "god" of this World? God Bless, Andy.
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Post by Shirley on Sept 10, 2005 10:04:47 GMT -5
Wow..all I can say is wow..what ignorance. Ok..maybe that's not so nice, but neither is stating that those people who lost everything did so because a vengeful "god" poured out his wrath in the form of a hurricane named Katrina.
Those elderly who lost their lives..I guess they were just sinners deserving of their fate?
So much more I would love to say that would probably get editted..
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Post by Pietro on Sept 10, 2005 11:37:48 GMT -5
while you are correct that God poured out many punishments all throughout the Old Testament, He did so - after - warning those believers, those faith filled. Think of the time the angel of death took down the first born males.... those doorposts marked were unharmed. While yes, God does pour out His wrath, He does not wish His faithful to be harmed. If indeed this hurricane and any other natural disaster was a "sign from God" where was His warning to His children first? In reading the variety of Scriptures pertaining to His wrath, His Mercy always supersedes. Just my thoughts, marysia God never said that good and faithful people will not suffer and die. I hope that some people do interpret this disaster as a warning that anyone of us at any time can die so be ready. It can serve that purpose. I think it is more a result of global warming than God's wrath or punishment. Whatever the cause, we live in a fallen broken world. There will always be natural disasters that will not discriminate between the people who will be victims. It would be foolish to presume that those who suffered and/or died are in some way more sinful than those who didn't. Luke 13:4 -5 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish."
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Post by marysia on Sept 12, 2005 8:22:58 GMT -5
Marysia, Are you assuming that the secular, God-hating, media would have covered God's warning to the people of New Orleans? Who's the "god" of this World? God Bless, Andy. No the secular media would not have said a word, however there is and are more int he world than only the secular media. since you are keen on benny hinn - where was his prediction that Katrina was God's wrath in the umpteen days prior?
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Post by marysia on Sept 12, 2005 8:27:31 GMT -5
God never said that good and faithful people will not suffer and die. I hope that some people do interpret this disaster as a warning that anyone of us at any time can die so be ready. It can serve that purpose. I think it is more a result of global warming than God's wrath or punishment. Whatever the cause, we live in a fallen broken world. There will always be natural disasters that will not discriminate between the people who will be victims. It would be foolish to presume that those who suffered and/or died are in some way more sinful than those who didn't. Luke 13:4 -5 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish." Pietro - thank you for the gentle reminder to myself and all. I do understand, I can be called at any time & should always be in a state of grace. I still do not believe that God would allow such "vengence" without allowing His Faithful a warning prior. He did throughout so much of the Old Testament. PS - in regards to global warming - not into that theory - in the 1900 galveston (or somewhere in texas) was devestated and in 1915 the frech quarter in LO was destroyed by hurricanes so.... I think it's just the cycle of "life"/ecosystem.
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Post by christian on Sept 13, 2005 8:03:45 GMT -5
Marysia, Are you assuming that the secular, God-hating, media would have covered God's warning to the people of New Orleans? Who's the "god" of this World? God Bless, Andy. No the secular media would not have said a word, however there is and are more int he world than only the secular media. since you are keen on benny hinn - where was his prediction that Katrina was God's wrath in the umpteen days prior? He never mentioned hurricane Katrina, but God did tell him that there would be severe weather of a kind that the world has not yet known, more tsunamis, etc, and that America would be affected.
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Post by marysia on Sept 13, 2005 11:31:24 GMT -5
He never mentioned hurricane Katrina, but God did tell him that there would be severe weather of a kind that the world has not yet known, more tsunamis, etc, and that America would be affected. that's like shooting fish in a barrel! these types of disasters have always been known and have been known to run in cycles. we in florida were warned a couple years back that it was going to be getting worse and worse. gracious, last year we were told that this year would be even worse. i'm not going to look to NOAA now as some type of organization in touch with God. So you never did answer when God spoke to Sr Faustina to teach all about Divine Mercy - that was a falsehood?!
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Post by heathen76 on Sept 13, 2005 13:01:33 GMT -5
No the secular media would not have said a word, however there is and are more int he world than only the secular media. since you are keen on benny hinn - where was his prediction that Katrina was God's wrath in the umpteen days prior? He never mentioned hurricane Katrina, but God did tell him that there would be severe weather of a kind that the world has not yet known, more tsunamis, etc, and that America would be affected. Wow. He "predicted" that America would be affected by the hurricane season. Especially one that NOAA said would be "above average" for number of storms. That IS the mark of a great prophet. Hey, if you're interested, I have a bridge for sale.
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