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Post by christian on Sept 6, 2005 7:30:24 GMT -5
I think it may be, because of the fact that Israel has been pressured by America and the UN to withdraw her settlers from Gaza. What do you folks think?
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Post by babysis on Sept 6, 2005 7:37:22 GMT -5
I think it's a natural disaster. We had one before similar in destruction named Camille. Was that God punishing us as well?
Are all natural disaster's God's punishment? What was my town being punished for last year when a tornado ripped through here? What was Florida being punished for with all the hurricanes last year and this year? Some things are just natural disasters and have no "meaning" behind them.
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Post by christian on Sept 6, 2005 7:46:59 GMT -5
The interesting thing about this hurricane is that it has ruined a whole city, and thousands of people are believed to have perished. One estimate given is 10,000 dead. Is it true that one quarter of US oil production came from that area?
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Post by babysis on Sept 6, 2005 12:38:34 GMT -5
I don't know the answer to your question about the oil, though I do know the midwest got most of it's oil from down south, which explains why gas prices in my town are so high.
There are LOTS of natural disasters that destroy cities. And I do not think the entire city of New Orleans is destroyed. I think I've heard 80% was underwater. But that still don't think it was any kind of sign or anything from God.
But I do know God can and WILL use this for good.
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Post by marysia on Sept 6, 2005 12:39:54 GMT -5
did you know that in 1915 an even more destructive hurricane hit New Orleans? our hotel there tell of it in their history. With this hurricane there is flood damage, roof damage (although it's still intact), windows blown out and doors blown in but - it's still standing.
nature is neither predictable nor IMO God's wrath. if it was God's wrath - we'd know. Granted i'm thankful for the diocese of baton rouge that established an amazingly large convoy to get people out before the storm hit but.... no, don't think it was any type of "wrath of God".
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Post by donkeydude on Sept 6, 2005 15:25:26 GMT -5
I don't understand why everytime something bad happens that people start yelling from the roof tops that it's a punishment from God. Bad things happen, always have always will.
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Sept 6, 2005 17:46:30 GMT -5
There are always signs when something is the wrath of God. There is always a warning to the people, as well as a proclamation of what will happen, before God ever pours out his wrath. It is always obvious. If people are "speculating" if something is the wrath of God, then it most probably is not.
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Post by marysia on Sept 7, 2005 6:37:27 GMT -5
Gentlemen -- good points! I do believe that the Wrath of God can and will come but you're right - He is not judgemental and He would "warn" in advance all those who hear and listen to Him. In the past, God always tried to fix before just applying His Judgement/Wrath. PS - Hi Phillip -- have ya'll shelters open?! We're pretty full ad our local WalMart is offering jobs to anyone willing to work - even if they didn't have open positions. BTW our gas finally dropped to 2.88
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Post by christian on Sept 7, 2005 8:43:44 GMT -5
I don't know the answer to your question about the oil, though I do know the midwest got most of it's oil from down south, which explains why gas prices in my town are so high. There are LOTS of natural disasters that destroy cities. And I do not think the entire city of New Orleans is destroyed. I think I've heard 80% was underwater. But that still don't think it was any kind of sign or anything from God. But I do know God can and WILL use this for good. Apparently there was alot of homosexual behaviour going on in that city. What if the folks of New Orleans were warned by God's people to turn away from their sins, but chose not to? God Bless, Andy.
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Post by christian on Sept 7, 2005 9:19:06 GMT -5
I don't understand why everytime something bad happens that people start yelling from the roof tops that it's a punishment from God. Bad things happen, always have always will. I'm not yelling. But if you think that God blesses sinful behaviour, then I'm afraid you're very misguided. God Bless, Andy.
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Post by donkeydude on Sept 7, 2005 11:01:14 GMT -5
I don't understand why everytime something bad happens that people start yelling from the roof tops that it's a punishment from God. Bad things happen, always have always will. I'm not yelling. But if you think that God blesses sinful behaviour, then I'm afraid you're very misguided. God Bless, Andy. I don't recall making any statement that would you lead you to believe that's what I meant. I personally believe that God doesn’t actively intervene in the lives of mortals. Faith alone does wonders for the human spirit. When the end comes there will be no doubt.
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Post by heathen76 on Sept 7, 2005 11:27:06 GMT -5
I don't know the answer to your question about the oil, though I do know the midwest got most of it's oil from down south, which explains why gas prices in my town are so high. There are LOTS of natural disasters that destroy cities. And I do not think the entire city of New Orleans is destroyed. I think I've heard 80% was underwater. But that still don't think it was any kind of sign or anything from God. But I do know God can and WILL use this for good. Apparently there was alot of homosexual behaviour going on in that city. What if the folks of New Orleans were warned by God's people to turn away from their sins, but chose not to? God Bless, Andy. What about the homosexual behavior going on in Yorkshire? Is that area doomed by some sort of naturally occurring event?
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Sept 7, 2005 12:46:24 GMT -5
Gentlemen -- good points! I do believe that the Wrath of God can and will come but you're right - He is not judgemental and He would "warn" in advance all those who hear and listen to Him. In the past, God always tried to fix before just applying His Judgement/Wrath. PS - Hi Phillip -- have ya'll shelters open?! We're pretty full ad our local WalMart is offering jobs to anyone willing to work - even if they didn't have open positions. BTW our gas finally dropped to 2.88 We didn't have any shelters around here. I live in north central florida. Gas has dropped under $3 a gallon around here.
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Sept 7, 2005 12:48:21 GMT -5
I don't know the answer to your question about the oil, though I do know the midwest got most of it's oil from down south, which explains why gas prices in my town are so high. There are LOTS of natural disasters that destroy cities. And I do not think the entire city of New Orleans is destroyed. I think I've heard 80% was underwater. But that still don't think it was any kind of sign or anything from God. But I do know God can and WILL use this for good. Apparently there was alot of homosexual behaviour going on in that city. What if the folks of New Orleans were warned by God's people to turn away from their sins, but chose not to? God Bless, Andy. What if they all stood up a danced a jig before the hurricane came? It would be OBVIOUS that this was the wrath of God if it indeed was the wrath of God. We wouldn't be sitting around saying "what if".
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Post by PhilipDC78 on Sept 7, 2005 12:51:39 GMT -5
I'm not yelling. But if you think that God blesses sinful behaviour, then I'm afraid you're very misguided. God Bless, Andy. I don't recall making any statement that would you lead you to believe that's what I meant. I personally believe that God doesn’t actively intervene in the lives of mortals. Faith alone does wonders for the human spirit. When the end comes there will be no doubt. This is an interesting comment, and maybe we should take it aside to discuss it. So you believe that God doesn't actively intervene in the lives of men (humans)? Does this mean that you do not believe in miracles? I have seen and know stories of God performing miracles in the world today. God also actively is in contact with me personally, every day. What makes an inactive God different from that of a Deist? (The idea that God created the universe, then left it to its own, kinda like a clockmaker winding up a clock and then leaving it)
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