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Post by HomeAtLast on Mar 18, 2004 12:04:31 GMT -5
gene, So no crime is ever committed against SDA's now? Blessings, Ann Is it really that you don't understand what I'm saying or is it that you're trying to mock me?
[/color][/quote] gene, I am certainly not trying to mock you in any way. I am just trying to understand what you are saying. It seemed that you were saying that God would protect us all if we are SDA's. I am trying to see from your perspective how you see these things. Blessings, Ann |
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Post by TarueBeliever on Mar 18, 2004 14:41:35 GMT -5
Jesus said it is lawful to do good on the sabbath. That does NOT excuse people like YOU to disregard God's sabbath day in favor of the pagan Sunday, and you do, by your own admission.
Let's look at the root of what's behind your post. It is the fact that we, as SDA's, uphold God's commandment as everlasting, while you like to disregard it because you "feel" it isn't important.
You're participating in Cain's sacrifice.
Rc people actually believe their papacy is correct when it speaks. You on the other hnad, deny the authority of the papacy and rely on the bible alone. YOU have no excuse for your actions because you claim to follow God's word, and that word doesn't give you any authority for the actions you say you participate in.
That's the bottom line.
You think that by writing the little shallow things such as what's above, you've exposed something.
You didn't. All you've shown is your lack of sincerity for God's word.
You have shown good understanding on other matters, but the sabbath issue is a no brainer and you just can't get around that one. [/color][/quote] What does doing good on the Sabbath have to do with your Church's members buying and using electricity or any other product on the Sabbath? Electricity IS a product, an economic commodity. So is natural gas. It’s no different than going to a resturant an buying a steak on Saturday for lunch. When someone uses electricity on the Sabbath, they are asking many other people to work for them on the Sabbath. The same goes for natural gas. While we have to have clean water to live, we pay for the convience of having it at our finger tips. Likewise, our sanitary waste systems do a great deal for the control of disease but we pay for that also. Using any of these on the Sabbath requires a whole lot of “someone elses” to do “the dirty work” while the Sabbath Keepers go on their pious ways. As for electrical power plants being run by “skeleton crews,” any time a plant is up and running all these folks are there: - Plant Manager
- Engineering manager
- Computer specialists
- Electrical and electronics engineers
- Nuclear engineers
- Electrical and electronic engineering technicians
- Nuclear technicians
- Customer service representatives
- Electricians
- Plumbers, pipefitters, and steamfitters
- Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations
- First-line supervisors/managers of mechanics, installers, and repairers
- Electrical and electronics repairers, powerhouse, substation, and relay Control and valve installers and repairers
- Industrial machinery mechanics
- Maintenance and repair workers
- Electrical power-line installers and repairers
- First-line supervisors/managers of production and operating workers
- Nuclear power reactor operators
- Power distributors and dispatchers
- Power plant operators
But it wouldn't matter if it took just one guy to do it. It would be wrong to ask him to work for you on the Sabbath to provide you with an unnecessary product, wouldn't it? You have alternatives. You can move to a climate that doesn't require heating with gas & electricity on the Sabbath (like Palestine for example). Or use batteries and solar heat. You know the Four Commandment says ... 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11 KJVWhere in this commandment does it authorize you to hire the power company (and all its employees) to work for you on a Saturday? The Israelites lived in isolation from other societies. If you and the members of your church are serious about keeping this, you'll refrain from buying ALL products and services on the Sabbath. Until then if you, knowing the commandment, break it anyway while claiming to keep it, how is it that you would ask others to keep the commandment? Scott |
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Post by marysia on Mar 18, 2004 17:06:31 GMT -5
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11 KJVScott okay this may come across as a very elementary question or even foolish but... it says labor for 6 days. it doesn't say labor for day's one through six. |
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Post by Charis on Mar 19, 2004 0:11:26 GMT -5
Just an observation: Anyone but me notice that really there has not been "bashing" on this thread, yet in each of the numerous catholic "bashing" threads no one ever stood up and asked someone to stop the "bashing"? I don't read the Catholic threads. I'm not Catholic. |
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Post by Charis on Mar 19, 2004 0:14:36 GMT -5
If you don't care, don't answer my posts. Simple isn't it?
By the way, just because you want the ten commandments "nailed to the cross", isn't preaching God's word. [/color][/quote] 1) I didn't reply to you. The post mentions you but is not TO you.
2) I *never* said the 10 Commandments were nailed to the cross. As I said, you don't read my posts or you would know what a stupid statement that is. |
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Post by Charis on Mar 19, 2004 0:21:05 GMT -5
okay this may come across as a very elementary question or even foolish but... it says labor for 6 days. it doesn't say labor for day's one through six. It's clarified in Exodus 16 (first reference after the command is given), and many other places. But we have alreadty beaten this dead horse is threads no too long ago. |
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Post by HomeAtLast on Mar 19, 2004 1:38:34 GMT -5
I don't read the Catholic threads. I'm not Catholic. Charis, Sorry, I did not mean necessarily you. You said that you are not an SDA, but yet here you are. I must be thinking of someone else in one of the other threads that was not titled as a catholic bashing thread, yet many seem to turn into them. Blessings, Ann |
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Post by genesda on Mar 19, 2004 5:33:06 GMT -5
gene, I am certainly not trying to mock you in any way. I am just trying to understand what you are saying. It seemed that you were saying that God would protect us all if we are SDA's. I am trying to see from your perspective how you see these things. Blessings, Ann No, that's not what you said. Go back and reread your post. [/color] |
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Post by genesda on Mar 19, 2004 5:35:41 GMT -5
What does doing good on the Sabbath have to do with your Church's members buying and using electricity or any other product on the Sabbath? Electricity IS a product, an economic commodity. So is natural gas. It’s no different than going to a resturant an buying a steak on Saturday for lunch. When someone uses electricity on the Sabbath, they are asking many other people to work for them on the Sabbath. The same goes for natural gas. While we have to have clean water to live, we pay for the convience of having it at our finger tips. Likewise, our sanitary waste systems do a great deal for the control of disease but we pay for that also. Using any of these on the Sabbath requires a whole lot of “someone elses” to do “the dirty work” while the Sabbath Keepers go on their pious ways. As for electrical power plants being run by “skeleton crews,” any time a plant is up and running all these folks are there: - Plant Manager
- Engineering manager
- Computer specialists
- Electrical and electronics engineers
- Nuclear engineers
- Electrical and electronic engineering technicians
- Nuclear technicians
- Customer service representatives
- Electricians
- Plumbers, pipefitters, and steamfitters
- Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations
- First-line supervisors/managers of mechanics, installers, and repairers
- Electrical and electronics repairers, powerhouse, substation, and relay Control and valve installers and repairers
- Industrial machinery mechanics
- Maintenance and repair workers
- Electrical power-line installers and repairers
- First-line supervisors/managers of production and operating workers
- Nuclear power reactor operators
- Power distributors and dispatchers
- Power plant operators
But it wouldn't matter if it took just one guy to do it. It would be wrong to ask him to work for you on the Sabbath to provide you with an unnecessary product, wouldn't it? You have alternatives. You can move to a climate that doesn't require heating with gas & electricity on the Sabbath (like Palestine for example). Or use batteries and solar heat. You know the Four Commandment says ... 8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11 KJVWhere in this commandment does it authorize you to hire the power company (and all its employees) to work for you on a Saturday? The Israelites lived in isolation from other societies. If you and the members of your church are serious about keeping this, you'll refrain from buying ALL products and services on the Sabbath. Until then if you, knowing the commandment, break it anyway while claiming to keep it, how is it that you would ask others to keep the commandment? Scott Scott, I'm not going to entertain this silliness any longer.
God didn't change anything. He also didn't change His sabbath. Think about that the next time you're considering the pagan holy day, Sunday, as a holy day to God. [/color] |
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Post by genesda on Mar 19, 2004 5:37:24 GMT -5
okay this may come across as a very elementary question or even foolish but... it says labor for 6 days. it doesn't say labor for day's one through six. The very first 7th day of the very first week of time on Earth is the day God called His sabbath day and commande3d all mankind to keep it holy. If you don't believe this is true, ask your "priest".
Now, do as you please.
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Post by genesda on Mar 19, 2004 5:39:01 GMT -5
1) I didn't reply to you. The post mentions you but is not TO you.
2) I *never* said the 10 Commandments were nailed to the cross. As I said, you don't read my posts or you would know what a stupid statement that is. Correct me if I'm wrong. Didn't you say the law was nailed to the cross including the sabbath of the commandment? [/color] |
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Post by marysia on Mar 19, 2004 8:15:13 GMT -5
God didn't change anything. He also didn't change His sabbath. Think about that the next time you're considering the pagan holy day, Sunday, as a holy day to God. [/color][/quote] do you go to any type of service on Easter Sunday, in honour of our Risen Lord? |
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Post by marysia on Mar 19, 2004 8:16:38 GMT -5
It's clarified in Exodus 16 (first reference after the command is given), and many other places. But we have alreadty beaten this dead horse is threads no too long ago. i'm so sorry didn't mean to offend with my question as it was only a simple question. my apologies. |
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Post by TarueBeliever on Mar 19, 2004 8:36:26 GMT -5
Scott, I'm not going to entertain this silliness any longer.
God didn't change anything. He also didn't change His sabbath. Think about that the next time you're considering the pagan holy day, Sunday, as a holy day to God. [/color][/quote] I'm not talking about keeping Sunday as a sabbath, a day of rest, separated for especially for God. I'm talking about how the SDA Church, for all its talk about "Keeping the Sabbath" and "the Law of God," doesn't follow the fourth commandment or other sabbath laws ... 28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws? 29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day. 30 So the people rested on the seventh day. Exodus 16:28-30 3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation {assembly} ; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings. Leviticus 23:3 If one were keeping the sabbath, that leaves two things to do on the Sabbath, go to church and rest. Am I not correct? And you already stated that it was your opinion that it would be wrong to have someone else to work for you on the Sabbath, correct? Just because a product like electricty is produced far away by people you can't see and conveyed in wires to be delivered right to your home or church doesn't mean you're not buying on the spot. The point of sale is the meter. You may not actually pay the bill until later but you incur the debt when you use the product. Use the product on the Sabbath and you've broken the Sabbath. In Biblical terms it would be like having your servant go out an pick up firewood for you on the Sabbath and bring it to your house -- deliver usable energy to your home. Scott |
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Post by Nicodemus on Mar 19, 2004 8:40:33 GMT -5
hee hee, That's why I posted this thread on a Friday evening - cuz' I knew the Sabbath-keepers don't turn on their computers - and wouldn't come in a mess it up before I could get it finished.
Remember that, Sabbath keepers - Friday nights are the best time to post without fear of interruption.
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