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Post by Shirley on Aug 24, 2003 21:16:41 GMT -5
Shirley, if you get time...I personally would be interesting in hearing you try to answer the assumption above about "me me me." Do you find that you are being more self centered in any manner? And if so, how? I could address this from MY perspective, but I don't know if it applies to yours or not...but THIS is the common misconception I hear about MY beliefs...and many others of similar beliefs. So, if possible...can you address this point? Thanks. Hi Jen! I had turned this off and tried to go to bed, but couldn't sleep. Quite wound up I am. Which is too bad because 4 am comes too soon! I don't feel its selfish. I am less self centered now than I was before. Its not about being right, or doing for me. I was a wreck. I was self centered. It was about me before...Am I doing this to be selfish? No. To "do what I want?" No. But it is what I must do to be a better person. I feel more at peace than I have in along time. I don't feel a need to prove to anyone anything about me. I just am. I am more introspective, which allows me to see others in a whole new light. But no, its not about me, me, me. I hope this helps. Blessings, Shirley
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Post by mook2357 on Aug 24, 2003 21:29:24 GMT -5
Hi Jen! I had turned this off and tried to go to bed, but couldn't sleep. Quite wound up I am. Which is too bad because 4 am comes too soon! I don't feel its selfish. I am less self centered now than I was before. Its not about being right, or doing for me. I was a wreck. I was self centered. It was about me before...Am I doing this to be selfish? No. To "do what I want?" No. But it is what I must do to be a better person. I feel more at peace than I have in along time. I don't feel a need to prove to anyone anything about me. I just am. I am more introspective, which allows me to see others in a whole new light. But no, its not about me, me, me. I hope this helps. Blessings, Shirley Yes, it did. Thanks...and sorry if I put you on the spot...but THAT is one of those crucial misconceptions...from what I have noticed, and I kind of figured (but wasn't sure) that this was about what your answer would be... Suddenly, it isn't about YOU being saved and about where YOU are going. The world is seen in a WHOLE new light... And "we" becomes a much bigger number, imho. Infinite, I would even say.
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Post by Shirley on Aug 24, 2003 21:38:37 GMT -5
Yes, it did. Thanks...and sorry if I put you on the spot...but THAT is one of those crucial misconceptions...from what I have noticed, and I kind of figured (but wasn't sure) that this was about what your answer would be... Suddenly, it isn't about YOU being saved and about where YOU are going. The world is seen in a WHOLE new light... And "we" becomes a much bigger number, imho. Infinite, I would even say. Yes! You hit the nail on the head.
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Post by Heart4Him on Aug 24, 2003 22:48:11 GMT -5
I wasn't going to respond to this again...but let me try. Yes, there are other Truths and other ways. I know you don't believe this but I do, now. What they are, I am not going into right now. They are not evil, satanic or demonic. Of that I am certain. How sorry I am to see this! I will pray that the Lord leads you back to Him. I am sorry that you ran into something that focused on the 'do's and don'ts'. I believe that what Jesus wants for us is to have a right heart for Him, and He wants a relationship with you. I will pray that you are led back to Him and to the truth which is found ONLY in Him. Unfortunately, if you are seeking other paths than Christ, you are going astray.
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Post by Snottitude on Aug 24, 2003 23:07:20 GMT -5
Christianity is not about following rules. We follow Christ's commands because we love Him and because He knows best, not because they are rules. If you aren't experiencing a love for Jesus, I recommend you go read the gospel of John and realize that Jesus died on that cross for you. I know when I'm feeling doubtful, doing this helps me realize the power that is the love of God. HTH. Sincerely, [glow=green,3,300]Snotty ;D[/glow]
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Post by CatholicChristian on Aug 24, 2003 23:21:10 GMT -5
Christianity is not about following rules. We follow Christ's commands because we love Him and because He knows best, not because they are rules. If you aren't experiencing a love for Jesus, I recommend you go read the gospel of John and realize that Jesus died on that cross for you. I know when I'm feeling doubtful, doing this helps me realize the power that is the love of God. HTH. Sincerely, [glow=green,3,300]Snotty ;D[/glow] Snotty, Of all the things I have seen you do and say on this board, this was probably the best response you have given to anything so far, IMHO. Blessings to you and yours, CC
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Post by Charis on Aug 25, 2003 0:24:39 GMT -5
Let's see. I'm involved in a "discussion" with Heart and I think that she thinks that I have posted on this thread before, supporting SJudy. I haven't, and as most of you know, I don't post on the Debate board much at all. I have only a handful of posts here in a handful of threads. Well, I can truely see where this message board is going..... and I'm truely sorry to see that you have been "sucked" in Shirley..... I will truely keep you in my prayers, as I know the Truth and Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to reach my salvation. There is no "ME ME ME" that's only selfish and self satisfying. And it won't get you into heaven. I'm truely sad for you! I just wanted to add here that I agree with Outlaw and Billbo and am very saddened by the three pages I've read thus far. I have walked other paths and so seeing something like this makes me very sad. "There is one mediator between God and man...Jesus Christ."
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Post by Charis on Aug 25, 2003 0:27:48 GMT -5
Christianity is not about following rules. We follow Christ's commands because we love Him and because He knows best, not because they are rules. If you aren't experiencing a love for Jesus, I recommend you go read the gospel of John and realize that Jesus died on that cross for you. I know when I'm feeling doubtful, doing this helps me realize the power that is the love of God. HTH. Sincerely, [glow=green,3,300]Snotty ;D[/glow] We follow the rules because we love our Father and don't want to hurt Him. Besides which, some rules come with cool blessings! ;D
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Post by outlawgirl3464 on Aug 25, 2003 2:16:45 GMT -5
Thank You all my Christian Brothers and Sisters for standing by me on this one. I guess that the new agers got thru to one of our Sisters....and Satan is definitely on the warpath. And I'm ready for battle.
Shirley, please know that you can talk with me anytime that you feel like it. No matter how pretty they package it up what you've been "fed" is not the truth. Don't let Satan win!!!!
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Post by Shirley on Aug 25, 2003 4:54:58 GMT -5
Thank You all my Christian Brothers and Sisters for standing by me on this one. I guess that the new agers got thru to one of our Sisters....and Satan is definitely on the warpath. And I'm ready for battle. Shirley, please know that you can talk with me anytime that you feel like it. No matter how pretty they package it up what you've been "fed" is not the truth. Don't let Satan win!!!! Terri and all: Y'all must know that I haven't been "fed" anything. No one was trying to get thru to me. Something occurred to me on July 27th, at 1:39 pm. You can read it if you like. You can see exactly where it happened. Its post #18, prophecy guild, Revelation Fulfilled? thread. It was at that moment that my soul shattered. That's when my belief system came crashing down around me. I felt it. It was physical. It was terrifying at that moment. It had nothing to do with "New Agers". I don't know how many times I can say that. And yes, I sought advice from many sources. On both sides of the equation. But it still makes little sense to me. I am not on a road to hell. I know that many of you believe I am. I'm sorry you feel this way. And I truly appreciate all of your concern. Blessings to you all, Shirley
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Post by billbo1970 on Aug 25, 2003 7:59:29 GMT -5
Terri and all: Y'all must know that I haven't been "fed" anything. No one was trying to get thru to me. Something occurred to me on July 27th, at 1:39 pm. You can read it if you like. You can see exactly where it happened. Its post #18, prophecy guild, Revelation Fulfilled? thread. It was at that moment that my soul shattered. That's when my belief system came crashing down around me. I felt it. It was physical. It was terrifying at that moment. It had nothing to do with "New Agers". I don't know how many times I can say that. And yes, I sought advice from many sources. On both sides of the equation. But it still makes little sense to me. I am not on a road to hell. I know that many of you believe I am. I'm sorry you feel this way. And I truly appreciate all of your concern. Blessings to you all, Shirley Your experience may have had nothing to do with 'New Agers', but what you are doing/investigating NOW most certainly does. You have sought advice from the wrong sources, when you consult with people that do not believe in Jesus Christ's resurrection for our sins.
John 14:6-7 "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well."
That's it. Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father. There is NO 'other' way. The road is narrow...
Mathew 7:13-15 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves"
PIC, Bill [/color]
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Post by trentroy on Aug 25, 2003 9:12:49 GMT -5
I was happy for you until I discovered that this came about by the "already happened" theory. For one thing, that's only a theory, a flawed one at that. I personally think it's total nonsense, but everyone is entitled to their own opinions. For one thing, Israel became a nation again in 1948, so it could not have happened prior to that. Second, can you truly believe the 1,000 reign of Christ ever happened on this earth? No war, no hate, a world under the reign of Christ? Of course not. It did not happen, but I truly believe it will in our lifetime.
The thing is, I was wanting your advise on how to find "me" again. I got lost somewhere in mom, wife, secretary, grandma, and I can't seem to find "me". But if losing my faith is the price, then the cost is too high. I really don't understand how finding "you" would negate Christ's role in your life. I guess I just don't get it.
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Post by billbo1970 on Aug 25, 2003 9:58:13 GMT -5
This type of thing is just PART of the reason why I resigned as moderator of this message board. The Father of Lies is accomplishing much work here, and Our Father in Heaven is accomplishing very little I did not want God to hold ME accountable for the works being done here, as part of the administration. I had TRIED to change things, but obviously I was unsuccessful. I had requested there be a special forum for discussing alternative beliefs.... and that it be for witnessing to those people, not for them to mislead God's children & those who are searching. I had made MANY suggestions, and none of them were acted upon. I had to resign. I was not going to be held accountable.
PIC, Bill [/color]
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Post by Kee on Aug 25, 2003 10:18:16 GMT -5
Your experience may have had nothing to do with 'New Agers', but what you are doing/investigating NOW most certainly does. You have sought advice from the wrong sources, when you consult with people that do not believe in Jesus Christ's resurrection for our sins. [/color][/quote] Besides the fact you have no CLUE about what all has been entailed in any conversations, nor what those sources may have said, or how they have offered their support, you are making false assumptions here billbo. For instance, you wouldn't know that one of the first things I told Shirley was that if she felt she needed to speak with a Christian, then I would like to recommend someone I knew would listen and not be judgmental. I also rpkmtyoleured her that the one she was already speaking to is a very good guy and would do those things too.
So you see -- you have no clue, and clearly you haven't been listening to her. Thankfully, there are several people in her corner who are and will continue to listen to her concerns and support her in any way we can. That's because we are more interested in the well-being of the person over everything else. This is not about YOU, or any of you -- it is about Shirley.
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Post by AISLINN on Aug 25, 2003 10:34:15 GMT -5
Bilbo you make it sound like these people are so weak minded they cant form an opinion by themselves. Know one can make any decision for another, this is something they must accomplish on their own. There is no hidden agenda here, no brownie points from the "devil" if we recuit. Everyone needs to find their own way in this world Different avenues explored, this is how we learn and grow.
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