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Post by semperfidelis on Sept 1, 2003 18:41:36 GMT -5
Islam is advancing quickly throughout the world, with brutal force. Just look at Africa. I'm really considering the beast (the nation) will be a coalition of Islamic countries. The actual AC, (guessing here of course), may not be an Iraqi citizen, but he may at some near time, be put in charge of Iraq. Someone's gonna have to do it, right? We can't stay over there forever. Some nice, peaceable leader to take over leadership in Iraq. He may not even be muslim, could be from just about anywhere. He may be a Heinz 57. Just a thought. Trentroy, right now at this point in History the final empire looks like the EU in terms of politcal power and strength. Things could change though, I am just throwing this out based on speculation. I really started to notice this after 911, that was when it seemed the world shifted a bit and battle lines were drawn. Now you can clearly see the rising power of the European Union (EU) and the clear divide between the U.S. - and France and Germany. The muslim nations although powerful in numbers are not powerful in terms of Political influence and or Militarily. In fact if something was done to offset the Oil demand or to change the supply to say a nation like Israel or some other nation, the muslim nations would lose much influence. Numbers they have but might of the empire predicted in Daniel they do not. I feel that the final empire will likely be the revived Roman Empire perhaps with a name like EU or something else. I could be wrong though. |
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Post by semperfidelis on Sept 1, 2003 18:45:29 GMT -5
You'll get my offical opinion next week on my thread called, Humble opinion condradicts BBB. But yes I think he would be Italian also. I am not sure but it seems to make sense that he could be European. Take a look at the world today, Muslims are increasing in numbers but the empire in line to become a superpower is the EU, not a federation of muslim countries. |
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Post by semperfidelis on Sept 1, 2003 18:50:34 GMT -5
I think that he will be or European descent., possibly Italian, very charismatic, maybe even handsome, remember this is someone that everyone will LOVE! (well, except us, and probably some jews).... What about the head of the European Union? He's Italian isn't he? lol (j/k here..but whats his name. i can't remember it) Romano Prodi... was the leader but I am not sure who it is now. BTW, he is from Italy. Nice name huh. Might as well have Roman right in your first name if your a cantidate right? Anyway I dont think we are there yet in terms of signs or that the EU is at this point the empire spoken of. But, having said that it could be the beginning of the empire and the time before the start of birth pangs. Perhaps we have been seing some minor birth pangs over the last 50 years since the rebirth of the nation of Israel. |
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Post by BlindFaith on Sept 1, 2003 21:52:50 GMT -5
Romano Prodi... was the leader but I am not sure who it is now. BTW, he is from Italy. Nice name huh. Might as well have Roman right in your first name if your a cantidate right? Anyway I dont think we are there yet in terms of signs or that the EU is at this point the empire spoken of. But, having said that it could be the beginning of the empire and the time before the start of birth pangs. Perhaps we have been seing some minor birth pangs over the last 50 years since the rebirth of the nation of Israel. silvio berlusconi is his name, he is the italian prime minister and the head of the EU... modified for spelling! |
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Post by semperfidelis on Sept 2, 2003 10:20:19 GMT -5
silvio berlusconi is his name, he is the italian prime minister and the head of the EU... modified for spelling! I believe Romano Prodi is the President of the EU. This is the top position in the organization, unless something has changed. Click link below. europa.eu.int/comm/commissioners/prodi/index_en.htm |
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Post by trentroy on Sept 2, 2003 12:35:48 GMT -5
I recently head that Tony Blair of England (Prime Minister, I think) was going to run for the presidency of the EU at the next election. The only thing I know about him is that he was on our side in the Iraq war. |
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Post by semperfidelis on Sept 2, 2003 13:13:17 GMT -5
I recently head that Tony Blair of England (Prime Minister, I think) was going to run for the presidency of the EU at the next election. The only thing I know about him is that he was on our side in the Iraq war. Trentroy, he may have been on our side during the war but the EU is clearly position against the U.S. in other matters and would like nothing more than to become the dominant superpower. Right now it looks like an empire in the making. I could see this and say this without knowing anything about bible prophecy, it is obvious. Again, I could be wrong. Perhaps some other federation will increase in power and come together to form the final empire. |
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Post by trentroy on Sept 2, 2003 15:48:35 GMT -5
Trentroy, he may have been on our side during the war but the EU is clearly position against the U.S. in other matters and would like nothing more than to become the dominant superpower. Right now it looks like an empire in the making. I could see this and say this without knowing anything about bible prophecy, it is obvious. Again, I could be wrong. Perhaps some other federation will increase in power and come together to form the final empire. Hi Semp! What I was alluding to was that in all of Europe, he seemed to be the only one interested in going to war against Iraq. To me that means that war isn't really a no-no with him, like it seems to be with much or Europe. If the EU is one of the beasts of prophecy, then it will need a president who has no problem with war. I guess I did make it seem that he'd be our friend, and he may, who said we'll (the U.S.) be the good guys? Actually, we're not mentioned at all, so we may not even be a world power by then. |
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Post by semperfidelis on Sept 2, 2003 19:12:12 GMT -5
Hi Semp! What I was alluding to was that in all of Europe, he seemed to be the only one interested in going to war against Iraq. To me that means that war isn't really a no-no with him, like it seems to be with much or Europe. If the EU is one of the beasts of prophecy, then it will need a president who has no problem with war. I guess I did make it seem that he'd be our friend, and he may, who said we'll (the U.S.) be the good guys? Actually, we're not mentioned at all, so we may not even be a world power by then. I am not sure if Britian will play a large part in it, perhaps they will eventually align themselves more against us and more with the EU. There is no guarantee also that Blair or a British PM would be elected to the Presidency of the EU. In any event if it is the final empire predicted by Daniel the Antichrist will pull power from the Dragon and he will have supernatural powers, no matter what country he is from. Who knows what is going to happen with the U.S. - perhaps the rapture is so devastating to the U.S. in terms of numbers the country will be in shambles. Or maybe we are the wings that provide refuge to the woman (Israel) in Revelation 14The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the desert, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent's reach. I heard one scholar say that this might be America but he is not sure. |
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Post by HomeAtLast on Sept 3, 2003 0:54:41 GMT -5
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Post by marysia on Sept 3, 2003 5:57:44 GMT -5
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Post by semperfidelis on Sept 3, 2003 9:02:48 GMT -5
Hi Semp! What I was alluding to was that in all of Europe, he seemed to be the only one interested in going to war against Iraq. To me that means that war isn't really a no-no with him, like it seems to be with much or Europe. If the EU is one of the beasts of prophecy, then it will need a president who has no problem with war. I guess I did make it seem that he'd be our friend, and he may, who said we'll (the U.S.) be the good guys? Actually, we're not mentioned at all, so we may not even be a world power by then. Trentroy, also after reading your comments closely. I dont think any of the "Leaders" of any of the countries involved really have a problem with war in general. France and Germany had other interests involved, they could really care less about the war itself as long as it benefited them. In this case they lost big economic packages with the current Iraqi regime and billions of dollars in Oil control. I think them being against the war had much less to do with the fact they wanted peace and more to do with their own selfish interests. They projected an image that they were the "Honorable Ones" in the whole mess by acting as if they were seeking a peaceful solution. This would have been great had it not been for the obvious fact that they were clearly trying to be a stumbling block to the U.S., not because they were against war but because of their own selfish interests. Of course, they cant come out and say we are very upset because we are losing billions in Oil contracts and we are sympathetic with the current regime under Saddam. Take Germany for example. Do you really think they have a problem with going to war? They were a large part in starting two world wars and tried to completely exterminate the Jews about 70 years ago. I doubt any leader involved in the standoff really has a problem with "war" under the right circumstances. |
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Post by trentroy on Sept 3, 2003 9:28:39 GMT -5
Trentroy, also after reading your comments closely. I dont think any of the "Leaders" of any of the countries involved really have a problem with war in general. France and Germany had other interests involved, they could really care less about the war itself as long as it benefited them. In this case they lost big economic packages with the current Iraqi regime and billions of dollars in Oil control. I think them being against the war had much less to do with the fact they wanted peace and more to do with their own selfish interests. They projected an image that they were the "Honorable Ones" in the whole mess by acting as if they were seeking a peaceful solution. This would have been great had it not been for the obvious fact that they were clearly trying to be a stumbling block to the U.S., not because they were against war but because of their own selfish interests. Of course, they cant come out and say we are very upset because we are losing billions in Oil contracts and we are sympathetic with the current regime under Saddam. Take Germany for example. Do you really think they have a problem with going to war? They were a large part in starting two world wars and tried to completely exterminate the Jews about 70 years ago. I doubt any leader involved in the standoff really has a problem with "war" under the right circumstances. Isn't England in the EU yet? I know France and Germany are. Maybe Germany learned a lesson about war, but you're right about the oil interests. You're right about war too, it's just so ugly, I like to think there are acutally countries that don't want it. I'm very naive. |
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Post by HomeAtLast on Sept 3, 2003 9:31:41 GMT -5
Marysia, I know what you mean. As soon as I read about the statue being built, it brought to mind the statue of Carpathia in the Left Behind series. Bless you always, Ann |
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Post by semperfidelis on Sept 3, 2003 12:23:47 GMT -5
Isn't England in the EU yet? I know France and Germany are. Maybe Germany learned a lesson about war, but you're right about the oil interests. You're right about war too, it's just so ugly, I like to think there are acutally countries that don't want it. I'm very naive. Trentroy, I am sure there are individuals that do not want it, but in this case it was a show to try to create an image of honorability and create a quagmire for the U.S. through the U.N. Perhaps some countries really did not want the war, but I guess what sort of ticked me off was that these countries also had big money interests with the current regime. So it looked very fishy, like they were trying to present an image of being the "good guys" but really having underlying motives. One thing is for sure the Antichrist will love war and will use it to gain power and spread destruction. |
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