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Post by AJoyfulHeart on Jul 18, 2003 9:36:32 GMT -5
I just talked to my brother and he just made a pretty good argument that we might (and he stressed "might") be in the first seal. He sees the first seal as President Bush going out and for reasons of justice (the white horse) conquering and to conquer. He thinks the second seal will be world war. maybe neuclear weapons will be the great sword? What do you all think?
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Post by guidemeLord on Jul 18, 2003 12:25:04 GMT -5
I just talked to my brother and he just made a pretty good argument that we might (and he stressed "might") be in the first seal. He sees the first seal as President Bush going out and for reasons of justice (the white horse) conquering and to conquer. He thinks the second seal will be world war. maybe neuclear weapons will be the great sword? What do you all think? I personally think that Christ's death on the cross and resurrection allowed Him access to the seals and the first seal represents Jesus' conquering of the abomination that causes desolation or more precisely the sacrifices of the Jews that continued after God gave us the perfect sacrifice. That means I believe the first seal was opened in 70 AD....
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Post by AuntRonda on Jul 18, 2003 15:06:09 GMT -5
I just talked to my brother and he just made a pretty good argument that we might (and he stressed "might") be in the first seal. He sees the first seal as President Bush going out and for reasons of justice (the white horse) conquering and to conquer. He thinks the second seal will be world war. maybe neuclear weapons will be the great sword? What do you all think? When one considers that the Anti Christ has to come out of the OLD Roman Empire, and that he has to appear BEFORE the war starts.....I doubt we are seeing the beginning of the seal judgements. Ronda
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Post by Jan on Jul 18, 2003 18:30:21 GMT -5
I just talked to my brother and he just made a pretty good argument that we might (and he stressed "might") be in the first seal. He sees the first seal as President Bush going out and for reasons of justice (the white horse) conquering and to conquer. He thinks the second seal will be world war. maybe neuclear weapons will be the great sword? What do you all think? Many folks have thought these same thoughts regarding past presidents, too. No, I don't believe we are in the 1st Seal yet. It is yet to come. <><
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Post by xcstud05 on Jul 18, 2003 19:46:11 GMT -5
Many folks have thought these same thoughts regarding past presidents, too. No, I don't believe we are in the 1st Seal yet. It is yet to come. <>< Yeah, I don't think we're there either. Besides, we'd know for sure who the AC was right? And also, the AC would have had to sign the 7 yr aggreement with Israel by now.
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Post by Jan on Jul 18, 2003 20:37:42 GMT -5
I believe the First Seal is also called the white horse judgment. I also believe that this Seal is a picture of the AC who comes to conquer at the beginning of the tribulation - a military leader - not a military leader of one country, but of the whole world. We have yet to see a world leader of any sort in this world yet <><
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Post by AJoyfulHeart on Jul 18, 2003 22:33:28 GMT -5
you know there re several reasons why my brother may not be right about this being the first seal but I also have trouble with Lahaye's interpretation of all the riders on these horses being the Anti-Christ. After all it describes them as four different horses with four different riders. And where does it say the Anti-Christ is reveaedl in Revelation 4? It does not talk about him until half way through the tribulation where it says he is given the right to rule for 42 months (3 1/2 years). I believe the First Seal is also called the white horse judgment. I also believe that this Seal is a picture of the AC who comes to conquer at the beginning of the tribulation - a military leader - not a military leader of one country, but of the whole world. We have yet to see a world leader of any sort in this world yet <><
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Post by Jan on Jul 18, 2003 22:51:36 GMT -5
Joyful, I am unsure of LaHaye's interpretation of the "riders". The only books I have read that he is part of is the Left Behind Books. As many others believe, this person is seen as having a bow, but no arrows. He has no crown until one is given to him. It seems he conquers by means of peace as symbolized by the white horse and an empty bow. He will be promoted as head of the one-world govt (this is where the "crown" comes in). Again, as of yet , I don't see anyone "fitting this bill" yet <><
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Post by AJoyfulHeart on Jul 18, 2003 22:55:42 GMT -5
so then if the rider of the white horse is the Anti-Christ the who are the riders of the other three horses? At the end of Revelation Christ comes riding on a white horse and he certainly was not coming in peace but in justice. Joyful, I am unsure of LaHaye's interpretation of the "riders". The only books I have read that he is part of is the Left Behind Books. As many others believe, this person is seen as having a bow, but no arrows. He has no crown until one is given to him. It seems he conquers by means of peace as symbolized by the white horse and an empty bow. He will be promoted as head of the one-world govt (this is where the "crown" comes in). Again, as of yet , I don't see anyone "fitting this bill" yet <><
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Post by Jan on Jul 18, 2003 23:23:55 GMT -5
This rider of the white horse can't be Christ, because Christ is seen in Heaven holding the title deed and breaking the seals. (Rev 6:1-2). He is not seen riding a white horse until chpt 19 at His Second Coming.
Christ in chpt 19 is also seen with a "great weapon", a sharp sword. This 1st rider of the white horse is seen with a "simple bow with no arrows" <><
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Post by AJoyfulHeart on Jul 18, 2003 23:37:42 GMT -5
I was not saying he was Christ! I was saying he was riding a white horse just like Christ does at the end of Revelation. I was saying that the horse Jesus is riding seems to signify Justice not Peace and that mabie the rider of the first horse is going forth to conquor with justice not Peace. This rider of the white horse can't be Christ, because Christ is seen in Heaven holding the title deed and breaking the seals. (Rev 6:1-2). He is not seen riding a white horse until chpt 19 at His Second Coming. Christ in chpt 19 is also seen with a "great weapon", a sharp sword. This 1st rider of the white horse is seen with a "simple bow with no arrows" <><
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Post by guidemeLord on Jul 18, 2003 23:41:37 GMT -5
Joyful, I am unsure of LaHaye's interpretation of the "riders". The only books I have read that he is part of is the Left Behind Books. As many others believe, this person is seen as having a bow, but no arrows. He has no crown until one is given to him. It seems he conquers by means of peace as symbolized by the white horse and an empty bow. He will be promoted as head of the one-world govt (this is where the "crown" comes in). Again, as of yet , I don't see anyone "fitting this bill" yet <>< As far as I know, a white horse was ridden into battle by the Leader. A peaceful entrance was signified by riding a young donkey as Jesus did into Jerusalem. So the rider of the white horse is not going forth as a peacemaker in disguise, but is truly bent on conquest from the beginning. This is Christ by the way.....
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Post by AJoyfulHeart on Jul 18, 2003 23:49:52 GMT -5
sorry you are not making any sence here but that is what I generally think of your end time views so what's new? :-) As far as I know, any white horse was ridden into battle with by the Leader. A peaceful entrance was signified by riding a young donkey as Jesus did into Jerusalem. So the rider of the white horse is going forth as a peacemaker in disguise but is truly bent on conquest from the beginning. This is Christ by the way.....
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Post by Jan on Jul 18, 2003 23:56:57 GMT -5
Joy, I knew what you were saying I'm sorry if I confused you I was just expanding on my view of this "rider" <>< (I know I know, this horse is brown...hehehehe) <><
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Post by guidemeLord on Jul 19, 2003 0:01:43 GMT -5
I was not saying he was Christ! I was saying he was riding a white horse just like Christ does at the end of Revelation. I was saying that the horse Jesus is riding seems to signify Justice not Peace and that mabie the rider of the first horse is going forth to conquor with justice not Peace. It is Christ... whether you say so or not...LOL Lam 2:2 The Lord hath destroyed all the habitations of Jakob, and not spared: he hath thrown down in his wrath the strong holds of the daughter of Judah: he hath cast the down to the ground: he hath polluted the kingdom and the princes thereof. Lam 2:3 He hath cut off in his fierce wrath all the horn of Israel: he hath drawn back his right hand from before the enemy, and there was kindled in Jakob like a flame of fire, which devoured round about. Lam 2:4 He hath bent his bow like an enemy: his right hand was stretched up as an adversary, and slew all that was pleasant to the eye in the tabernacle of the daughter of Zion: he poured out his wrath like fire. Lam 2:5 The Lord was as an enemy: he hath devoured Israel, and consumed all his palaces: he hath destroyed his strong holds, and hath increased in the daughter of Judah lamentation and mourning. Lam 2:6 For he hath destroyed his Tabernacle, as a garden, he hath destroyed his Congregation: the Lord hath caused the feasts and Sabbaths to be forgotten in Zion, and hath despised in the indignation of his wrath the King and the Priest. Zec 9:14 And the Lord shall be seen over them, and his arrow shall go forth as the lightning: and the Lord God shall blow the trumpet, and shall come forth with the whirlwinds of the South. Zec 10:4 - Out (f) of him came forth the corner, out of him the nail, out of him the battle bow, out of him every (g) oppressor together.
(f) Out of Judah will the chief governor (CHRIST) proceed, who will be as a corner to uphold the building, and as a nail to fasten it together.
(g) Over their enemies.
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