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Post by Kee on May 31, 2004 2:31:39 GMT -5
Face Reality By Zbigniew Brzezinski The New Republic Friday 28 May 2004 Lowered Vision America's Iraq policy requires a fundamental strategic reappraisal. The present policy - justified by falsehoods, pursued with unilateral arrogance, blinded by self-delusion, and stained by sadistic excesses - cannot be corrected with a few hasty palliatives. The remedy must be international in character; political, rather than military, in substance; and regional, rather than simply Iraqi, in scope. Rectifying the increasingly messy Iraqi adventure requires understanding its root: the extremist foreign policy pursued by this administration. Its rhetoric has been demagogic, especially at the very top. Its strategic content has been manipulated by officials preoccupied more with reshaping the security landscape of the Middle East than with maintaining America's ability to lead globally. Domestic support for its policies was mobilized by the deliberate exploitation, as well as stimulation, of fear among the electorate. The Iraq war is not only an outgrowth of this flawed approach to foreign policy, but also its symbol. Unlike the 1991 war against Iraq, for which more than 80 percent of the cost was borne by America's allies, this time American taxpayers must foot the bill, which is already approaching $200 billion. The number of Americans dead and wounded is in the thousands and climbing, and the number of innocent Iraqis killed is considerably higher. America's relationship with Europe - which is integral to global stability and to the protection of U.S. interests - has been badly strained. America's credibility has been tarnished among its traditional friends, its prestige has plummeted worldwide, and global hostility toward the United States has reached a historical high. Most immediately dangerous, the war has focused Arab hatred on the United States. The U.S. occupation of Iraq is now seen by most Arabs as a mirror image of Israel's repression of the Palestinians. The Bush administration's unqualified support for Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's brutal treatment of the Palestinians has created a political linkage between the war in Iraq and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that is evident to almost everyone in the world except the current White House. The initiatives President Bush took this week point in the right direction, but they are too late in coming and involve too little change in substance. The president now accepts implicitly what top-level administration officials explicitly rejected when I spoke with them just a few months ago: the need for a U.N. umbrella over the U.S. grant of even limited sovereignty to the Iraqi government. The administration, however, still refuses to bite the bullet and make difficult decisions on the role and duration of the U.S. military presence in Iraq or on the larger dilemmas of regional peace in the Middle East. www.truthout.org/docs_04/053104D.shtmlcontinued............. |
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Post by Kee on May 31, 2004 2:32:36 GMT -5
The administration has yet to confront squarely the fact that the deteriorating situation both in Iraq and in the region will not improve without a politically comprehensive and coldly realistic revision of current policies that addresses four key points: (1) The transfer of "sovereignty" should increase, rather than discredit, the legitimacy of the emerging Iraqi government, and hence it should issue from the United Nations, not the United States; (2) Without a fixed and early date for U.S. troop withdrawal, the occupation will become an object of intensified Iraqi hostility; (3) The Iraqi government should reflect political reality, not doctrinaire American delusions; and (4) Without significant progress toward an Israeli-Palestinian peace, post-occupation Iraq will be both anti-American and anti-Israel.
First, the transfer of nominal sovereignty to a few chosen Iraqis in a still-occupied country will brand any so-called "sovereign" Iraqi authority as treasonous. A grant of "sovereignty" by the United States to the Iraqis - while an American proconsul backed by an occupation army remains ensconced in a fortress in the very heart of the Iraqi capital - will have no political legitimacy. The president's assertion (repeated more than once in his speech on Monday night) that such a transfer will bestow "full sovereignty" on Iraq is Orwellian artifice.
The urgent need is to subordinate, as soon as possible, the U.S. occupation - which is rapidly alienating the Iraqis - to the visible presence of the United Nations, headed by a high commissioner to whom effective authority should then be transferred. A genuinely empowered U.N. high commissioner could, in turn, progressively yield genuine sovereignty to the Iraqis with much greater prospects of gaining Iraqi public support for the interim government.
The authority of any such high commissioner should extend to the security sphere. The American military commanders in Iraq should retain full discretion to respond to attacks upon U.S. forces in the manner they deem necessary, but any offensive operations they - or other coalition forces - conduct should require explicit authorization from the high commissioner, perhaps in consultation with the Iraqi leaders. That change in command and control would automatically transform the character of the U.S. presence in Iraq from a military occupation to internationally supervised peacekeeping. The U.N. resolution the Bush administration proposed Monday makes token gestures to that end, but it does not fundamentally alter the continued and overt supremacy of the United States in Iraq.
Second, the longer the U.S. military presence lasts, the more likely it is that Iraqi resistance will intensify. It is, therefore, in America's interest to credibly convey U.S. determination to let Iraqis manage (however imperfectly) their own security. Setting a reasonable deadline for the departure of U.S. troops - far enough in the future not to look like a pell-mell withdrawal but soon enough to concentrate Iraqi minds on the need for self-sufficiency - could take practical advantage of the fact that the countrywide situation on the ground is currently not quite as bad militarily as necessarily selective TV images suggest.
April 2005 - two years after the occupation began - might be the appropriate target for terminating the U.S. military presence. A publicly known date for the departure of U.S. troops would refute suspicions that the United States harbors imperialist designs on Iraq and its oil, thereby diluting anti-American resentments both in Iraq and the region at large. Only a firm deadline for military withdrawal will convince the Iraqis that we truly intend to leave. Conversely, failure to set a date will encourage Iraqi politicians to compete in calling for early U.S. departure.
Admittedly, there is a risk that a U.S. withdrawal will be followed by intensified instability, but such instability would harm U.S. global interests less than continued (and perhaps rising) resistance to a seemingly indefinite U.S. occupation - which, in any case, has not suppressed low-level but widespread crime, violence, and terrorism. That resistance could take the form of intensified urban warfare, such as that waged five decades ago by the Algerians against the French. The United States could doubtless crush such an insurgency with an intensified military effort, but the political costs of such escalation - pkmtyolmive civilian casualties, pervasive destruction, and the inevitable exacerbation of national, cultural, and religious indignities - would be colossal.
The United States should consult with the principal members of its military coalition about an appropriate deadline. A set date of April 2005 could force other states, notably our European allies, to focus on the need for a wider and more ambitious effort to help the Iraqis stabilize and reconstruct their country. The militarily significant members of the coalition (those with 1,000 or more troops in Iraq) are Great Britain, Italy, Poland, Ukraine, and the Netherlands. Their views should be solicited, if for no other reason than because the publics in these countries are increasingly hostile to continued participation in Iraq's occupation, while some of the officers commanding their contingents in Iraq have been quite critical of heavy-handed U.S. military tactics.
Third, the internationalization of the supreme political authority in Iraq and the setting of a date for U.S. withdrawal will require a redefinition of the oft-proclaimed (but largely illusory) goal of transforming Iraq into a democracy. Democracy cannot be implanted by foreign bayonets. It must be nurtured patiently, with respect for the political dignity of those involved. An assertive and occasionally trigger-happy occupation is no school of democracy. Humiliation and compulsion breed hatred, as the Israelis are learning in the course of their prolonged domination over the Palestinians.
Post-occupation Iraq will not be a democracy. The most that can be practically sought is a federal structure, based on traditional, often tribal, sources of authority within the three major communities that form the Iraqi state: the Shia, the Sunnis, and the Kurds. It would be unwise, however, to demarcate these communities into three territorially defined regions, for that would almost certainly produce intense border conflicts among them. Until the dust settles from Saddam Hussein's dictatorship and the U.S. military intervention, it would be wiser to rely on the traditional arrangements within the more numerous existing provinces - a strategy that could promote political compromise across sectarian lines. The result would likely be a somewhat Islamic Iraqi national government that roughly reflected the country's demographic, religious, and ethnic realities.
Fourth, but far from least, the United States must recognize that success in Iraq depends on significant parallel progress toward peace between the Israelis and Palestinians. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the single most combustible and galvanizing issue in the Arab world. If the United States disengages from Iraq before making significant headway toward settling that dispute, it could face a sovereign Iraqi government that is militantly hostile to both Israel and the United States.
Therefore, the United States - if it is to gain any international (and especially European) support for remedying its Middle Eastern dilemmas - will have to clarify its stand on the eventual shape of an Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement. It should by now be clear that the conflict will never be ended by the two parties on their own. U.S. unwillingness to define, even in broad terms, the fundamentals of a peaceful outcome abandons those Israelis and Palestinians who genuinely desire peace to the mercies of their extremist leaders. Furthermore, endorsing Ariel Sharon's goals but ignoring the Palestinian side of any compromise is delaying, rather than accelerating, the peace process - while compounding the suffering on both sides.
To mobilize those Israelis and Palestinians who seek peace, and to convince the Middle East that U.S. occupation of Iraq is not simply a conspiratorial extension of Israeli domination of the West Bank, the United States should more explicitly state its position regarding the six key issues that a final Israeli-Palestinian peace will have to resolve: not only (as Israel demands) that there can be no right of return for Palestinian refugees, and that the 1967 lines cannot automatically become the final frontier, but also that there will have to be equitable territorial compensation for any Israeli expansion into the West Bank; that settlements not proximate to the 1967 line will have to be vacated; that Jerusalem as a united city will have to be shared as two capitals; and that Palestine will be a demilitarized state, perhaps with some nato military presence to enhance the durability of the peace settlement.
A fundamental course correction is urgently needed if the Middle East is to be transformed for the better. Slogans about "staying the course" are a prescription for inflaming the region while polarizing the United States and undermining U.S. global leadership. A bold change of course - given the gravity of the situation confronting the Iraqis, Israelis, and Arabs more generally, as well as concerned Europeans - could still snatch success from the tightening jaws of failure. But there is little time left.
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Zbigniew Brzezinski served as national security advisor to President Jimmy Carter and is the author of The Choice: Global Domination or Global Leadership.
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Kee out..............
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Post by genesda on Jun 1, 2004 9:53:36 GMT -5
Face Reality By Zbigniew Brzezinski The New Republic Friday 28 May 2004 Lowered Vision America's Iraq policy requires a fundamental strategic reappraisal. The present policy - justified by falsehoods, pursued with unilateral arrogance, blinded by self-delusion, and stained by sadistic excesses - cannot be corrected with a few hasty palliatives. The remedy must be international in character; political, rather than military, in substance; and regional, rather than simply Iraqi, in scope. Now this is just great. Here's something from a man that was involved in making America look foolish.
He calls facts, falsehhods, a coalition, unilateral and defending America, self-delusional.
He states that the remedy must be international, as though France and Germany are the rest of the world, and the reason they aren't with us is because they're up to their necks in scandals with Saddam.
His idea of politics didn't work so well with the Iranians did it?
He is just proferring another failed policy to denegrate Bush in order to help Kerry into the White House.
For you to quote a failure as a source is pathetic.
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Post by Kee on Jun 1, 2004 23:15:19 GMT -5
Now this is just great. Here's something from a man that was involved in making America look foolish. He calls facts, falsehhods, a coalition, unilateral and defending America, self-delusional.
Coalition? You mean the missing members of the UN who's position was overridden by the big bad Superpower (i.e., us) playing imperialist over all other governments to march off on our self-serving conquest? That one? The same one that scurried to gain UN support it formerly shirked AFTER this administration was faced with the truth it had bit off a bit more than it had bargained for in Iraq? You know...the big one...the fact that we couldn't go it ALONE after all. Paraphrasing your president there, don't cha' know. ;D
Oh yea....those facts are sure embarrasing for the Republicans, no doubt. Too bad you cannot erase the best source of all genesda... That'd be the memory of the discering american public who don't get brainwashed by Bushie propoganda. |
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Post by HomeAtLast on Jun 2, 2004 1:13:40 GMT -5
Coalition? You mean the missing members of the UN who's position was overridden by the big bad Superpower (i.e., us) playing imperialist over all other governments to march off on our self-serving conquest? Could it possibly be the missing coalition members that voted to give Saddam "one last chance" and that were in bed with Saddam while he murdered, tortured and starved his own people? Or perhaps the ones that made so much money of the "oil for food program" while even more Iraqies starved? Aren't these the ones that also claimed to be our friends for so many years? If I were to be brainwashed (which I have not been, I assure you), Sorry I would rather be brainwashed by Bush than Saddam as so many were when they saw the money he held out to them. Blessings, Ann |
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Post by genesda on Jun 2, 2004 6:56:20 GMT -5
Facts? Let me guess.... the imminent threat
No one but those in the media and people like you said the threat was "imminent". The president said no such thing. of those non-existant weapons of pkmtyolm destruction They certainly did exist and Saddam admitted he had them and he also used them. [/color] and Sadam's connection to 9-11, right? Both positions soon abandoned and inevitably withdrawn by the White House in the wake of the truth. There is a connection and this has been proved. While there is no evidence yet that Saddam personally was involved, his top people were involved with the terrorists training to hijack airliners at the Salman Pak terrorists training camp just south of Bagdad. [/color] Coalition? You mean the missing members of the UN who's position was overridden by the big bad Superpower (i.e., us) playing imperialist over all other governments to march off on our self-serving conquest? Did you forget about the 17 resolutions condemning Saddam.
Did you forget about the condidtions of the '91 ceasefire?
Did you forget about Res.1441? [/color] That one? The same one that scurried to gain UN support it formerly shirked AFTER this administration was faced with the truth it had bit off a bit more than it had bargained for in Iraq? You know...the big one...the fact that we couldn't go it ALONE after all. Paraphrasing your president there, don't cha' know. ;D Only to people like you that are full of hatred for Bush are saying "we went it alone".
Bush went to the U.N. and this appeasement gave Saddam months to hide his WMD's, that he had all along.
If the French, Germans and the Russians weren't up to their necks in scandal they might have approved of action in Iraq.
Just for your information, we didn't bite off more than we could chew, the U.S. military is just showing restraint. Iraq could be turned to rubble in short order if that was the mission. [/color] Oh yea....those facts are sure embarrasing for the Republicans, no doubt. What you call "facts" are just Democratic/communism spin of the truth which in the end, is not truth at all. [/color] Too bad you cannot erase the best source of all genesda... That'd be the memory of the discering american public who don't get brainwashed by Bushie propoganda.[/color] You really mean the igniorant Bush haters that would rather defeat Bush than seek safety from terrorism because if Kerry is elected, we will see more 9/11's.
Kerry believes we should seek the U.N. approval to defend America and I still hope that if we do have to suffer more terrorist attacks that the attacks fall on those who get what they're seeking in Kerry's weak support of american protection.
Thios is all moot because Bush will win in November. The american people will weigh their safety against Kerry's flip flops when it is voting booth time.
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Post by MorningStar on Jun 2, 2004 7:44:00 GMT -5
Could it possibly be the missing coalition members that voted to give Saddam "one last chance" and that were in bed with Saddam while he murdered, tortured and starved his own people? Even the U.S. was 'in bed' with Saddam while he murdered, tortured, and starved his own people. |
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Post by genesda on Jun 2, 2004 9:14:47 GMT -5
Even the U.S. was 'in bed' with Saddam while he murdered, tortured, and starved his own people. This is crazy! [/color] |
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Post by marysia on Jun 2, 2004 9:49:03 GMT -5
Even the U.S. was 'in bed' with Saddam while he murdered, tortured, and starved his own people. This is crazy! [/color][/quote] no it's not gene, -- ask any of the hundreds of thousands of immigrants that were allowed to flee here to escape the torture. we were in bed with the iraqi people though -- that's the difference. |
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Post by Onion on Jun 2, 2004 12:22:31 GMT -5
Even the U.S. was 'in bed' with Saddam while he murdered, tortured, and starved his own people. This is crazy! [/color][/quote] ARE you saying that the US did NOT support the Saddam dictatorship? Rumsfeld had his picture taken with Sad***. |
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Post by MorningStar on Jun 2, 2004 19:41:06 GMT -5
ARE you saying that the US did NOT support the Saddam dictatorship? Rumsfeld had his picture taken with Sad***. The United States supported Iraq in the 80s - and from what I remember, Saddam was even given the key to a city (Detroit, Chicago?) Just try google.com, or is that nothing but liberal nonsense as well? |
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Post by genesda on Jun 3, 2004 6:24:47 GMT -5
no it's not gene, -- ask any of the hundreds of thousands of immigrants that were allowed to flee here to escape the torture. we were in bed with the iraqi people though -- that's the difference. When Iraq was at war with Iran, the U.S. helped Saddam in that war.
This is not the same as "being in bed with Saddam".
"the enemy of my enemy is my friend".
We also were allied with the Communist Soviet Union in WW2, that does not mean we were in bed with the USSR. Defeating a common enemy doesn't mean that those against the enemy are friends. It only means that a common cause united some, for that time frame.
Has everyone forgotten about the DELIBERATE, ORDERED attack on the USS Liberty by ISRAEL in the '60's?
That attack was to hide the fact that Israel started the war with the Arabs and were NOT attacked by the Arabs.
I don't understand why we protect them either.
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Post by marysia on Jun 3, 2004 10:00:56 GMT -5
The United States supported Iraq in the 80s - and from what I remember, Saddam was even given the key to a city (Detroit, Chicago?) Just try google.com, or is that nothing but liberal nonsense as well? i believe it was detroit. |
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Post by MorningStar on Jun 3, 2004 22:58:15 GMT -5
i believe it was detroit. Well - ok, I can see that then. Think we can still let him keep Detroit? ;-) |
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Post by Kee on Jun 4, 2004 15:07:41 GMT -5
You really mean the igniorant Bush haters that would rather defeat Bush than seek safety from terrorism because if Kerry is elected, we will see more 9/11's. Not at all. I really mean the Americans in this country who truly believe in our freedoms. That is to say, those individuals where like ideals are not a prerequisite for a discourse of substance. One again, gene, your trite epithets and regurgitated propoganda results in my skimming your post, at best. It has been my experience that such a foundation in thought to work from rarely holds an informed opinion. Your posts have been no exception. **shrugs** |
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