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Post by AuntRonda on Jun 29, 2004 21:28:05 GMT -5
I've been curious about something for quite a while now... Exactly HOW do you, Prot and Gene, "remember the Sabbath and keep it Holy?" Thank you, LJ A MOST excellent question, LJ. Ronda
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Post by keikikoka on Jun 29, 2004 23:23:20 GMT -5
SDA's have this nasty little habit of ignoring what the law, which they claim needs to be followed, says about they sabbath. Their commitment to the comandment starts and ends with going to church on sundays.
They use heat, electricity and cook. If not they will go out to eat, and force other people to break their supposed sabbath so they can keep it themselves.
They put an imaginary dividing line on the law seperating between moral law (the sabbath) and ceremonial law (further laws concering what to do on the sabbath.) In reality, there is no such division. Either all the law was nailed to the cross or none of it.
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Post by SonWorshiper on Jun 30, 2004 11:02:03 GMT -5
I wouldn't want to be under their yoke of legalistic bondage, but I too believe they're part of the Body of Christ, albeit, a part that invokes the anger of The Lord by their attempts to put people back under the law of Moses.
As far as I know, they believe in the Jesus Christ of The Bible -- The Jesus who is God in the flesh, who died for our sins, was buried, and was resurrected the third day. From my understanding of Scripture, all who accept these truths into their hearts are true Christians.
Unfortunately, their doctrines beyond this will never produce good, healthy spiritual fruit, and they'll always be living a lifeless, spirit-less life, attempting to please God by carrying out the law, rather than simply abiding in Christ, where there is much fruit!
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Post by Citizen on Jul 1, 2004 19:10:42 GMT -5
The Sabbath for my friend and her family was a JOYFUL time. It began with family prayer at sundown Friday night and lasted until sundown Saturday night. No "work," only R & R, family time, prayer time. Saturday morning was spent in church, worshipping Jesus ... the afternoon was often spent at a potluck at church or at the home of a fellow church member. I hardly see the point of sneering at the way they choose to observe the Sabbath, and to keep it Holy. It's MEANT to be joyful, and that's how they CELEBRATED it. Romans tells us we are EACH to be convicted in our own minds ... not to condemn the other guy for being convicted differently than we are. Ya'll accuse Gene and Protestant of doing that ... and then turn around and do it yourselves.
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Post by SonWorshiper on Jul 1, 2004 23:14:52 GMT -5
Citizen,
I don't know if your post was directed at me, but I do agree with the essence of your post. If that's gene's and protestant's personal convictions, they should live by them.
But the anger of The Lord is kindled against those who attempt to put the yoke of the law about the neck of those who have been set free from the law by Christ (Acts 15:10).
Furthermore, there is no real, spiritual fruit in those who seek to live by the law. Just dead, dry, legalistic religion. Sure, they can be nice. Sure, they can be sweet. Sure, they can be helpful. But until they understand that living a spiritual life is depending upon Christ and His righteousness, and not their own, they will never truly understand what it means to walk in The Spirit.
Now, if their understanding is that keeping the law is just a natural by-product of walking in The Spirit, that's one thing. But from what I've read of both gene and protestant, they put far more importance on keeping the law than they do walking in The Spirit.
Do you see the difference?
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Post by Protestant on Jul 2, 2004 3:48:09 GMT -5
What a lot of rot. Where did you get this from? If you read my posts in the "Southern Baptists beliefs" thread you will see what the law is about.
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Post by Protestant on Jul 2, 2004 3:51:09 GMT -5
SonWorshiper
Now you are starting to talk sence.
No we dont. A person can anly keep the law if he is walking in the Spirit. [/quote]
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Post by Protestant on Jul 2, 2004 3:56:06 GMT -5
keikikoka
Show me where its against the law to do that.
Really. Who does this?
The law was not nailed to the cross. The record of our sins was nailed to the cross.
Satan and his demons condemn God's people for trying to obey God. I just would like to know why some of you are doing it?
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Post by Protestant on Jul 2, 2004 4:04:07 GMT -5
PhilipDC78
Really is that what obeying God is?
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No it is not. Read my post on the mark of the beast if you want to know what SDA believe on the sunday worship question.
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Post by SonWorshiper on Jul 2, 2004 10:33:03 GMT -5
My Previous Quote: But from what I've read of both gene and protestant, they put far more importance on keeping the law than they do walking in The Spirit. Response by Protestant: No we dont. A person can anly keep the law if he is walking in the Spirit.
My Current Response: I must have missed the part where you preached on love, peace, joy, longsuffering, kindness, gentleness, faith, goodness and temperance (the fruit of The Spirit). All I've ever seen from you or gene is law, law, law, law, law, law, law, law and law, and that those who don't keep the law are going to hell.
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Post by Protestant on Jul 2, 2004 18:40:26 GMT -5
My Previous Quote:But from what I've read of both gene and protestant, they put far more importance on keeping the law than they do walking in The Spirit. Response by Protestant:No we dont. A person can anly keep the law if he is walking in the Spirit. My Current Response:I must have missed the part where you preached on love, peace, joy, longsuffering, kindness, gentleness, faith, goodness and temperance (the fruit of The Spirit). All I've ever seen from you or gene is law, law, law, law, law, law, law, law and law, and that those who don't keep the law are going to hell. There is a reason for that. We all believe that the fruits of the spirit are the natural outgrowth of a spirit filled life. So why bother discussing what we all agree on. You professed christians ignore a major part of the new covenant - the Ten Commandments. Willful law breakers are showing that they are not filled with the spirit Hebrews 10:26 "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. "
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jul 6, 2004 13:20:03 GMT -5
There is a reason for that. We all believe that the fruits of the spirit are the natural outgrowth of a spirit filled life. So why bother discussing what we all agree on. You professed christians ignore a major part of the new covenant - the Ten Commandments. Willful law breakers are showing that they are not filled with the spirit Hebrews 10:26 "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. " My understanding of this pkmtyolpage from the Bible is this: "If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of Christ's sacrifice for us and His unmerited favour for us, His death for our sins has been in vain, and we can only fearfully expect the judgement and raging fire that awaits the enemies of God."Andy.
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Post by Protestant on Jul 7, 2004 7:55:04 GMT -5
I2AM4GOD
Yes and how is that different from what i said? Sin is the transgression of the law. 1John 3:4
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Post by keikikoka on Jul 7, 2004 9:37:45 GMT -5
Whose Law? The law given to the isrealites? The royal law? The new commandment Christ gave?
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Post by I2AM4GOD on Jul 29, 2004 11:36:38 GMT -5
Keik'
It would appear that Protestant doesn't have an answer to give, or he is ignoring you, or has forgotten to reply to you, or.....oh, I don't know. Still, it's interesting that three weeks have gone by without a response from him. The man is human after all.
Andy.
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