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Post by genesda on Feb 23, 2004 11:17:10 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong,I'm NOT Bush supporter. Not at all. But even with my dislike for the President and some of the things he's done,I also think he's done some good things that can't be overlooked and his Christian worldview,much as I might fear him trying to turn America in a theocracy,is one of the most morally high in the world,which is a plus in my eyes. I'm not a Bush supporter,vbut this thread,or at least the opening post,is very biased and given that it's hard to judge for yourself if he's good or bad,because you can only see it one way! Bush was not my first choice in 2000 either, but what has he done that is so bad to warrant all of the hate that is directed towards him?
I think he has done a good job considering the circumstances of 9/11 and the recession that was in the making before he was elected.
Also never forget, the Democrats were trying to stop every initiative Bush wanted to enact. They know that if they can blame Bush for a bad economy they might be able to beat him in November, and that's their main goal, not what's best for the USA.
The recession seems to be over and the Democrats can't stand it so they are inventing lies and trying to rewrite history for their benefit.
I wish someone would challenge Kerry's "hero" status and ask just what did he do to get a medal. How much is the event exagerated? How much "back home influence" played a part in his getting a medal? What were his "wounds" that he received purple hearts for?
I heard they were scratches, not battle wounds that most people think of when they hear "purple heart".
I'll bet if the facts were known, he would look a little different than what he does.
One Vietnam vetern on T.V. went so far if Kerry had been in actual combat, he would not have led demonstrations against his fellow servicemen when he came home, because once one knows combat firsthand, it changes the person involved.
We'll never see these questions raised because, like Clinton, Kerry is "their guy" and everything that surfaces about him gets a pkmtyolp. Just look at the intern thing with Kerry. He denies and the press says O.K. No credit card records are asked for, no proof is offered by him or is it asked for by the press, but Bush has to show pay records, dental records and everything he has from when he was in the N.G. to prove an allegation that was hashed over in 2000.
These liberals are disgusting!!
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Post by atomheart on Feb 24, 2004 15:07:05 GMT -5
"We'll never see these questions raised because, like Clinton, Kerry is "their guy" and everything that surfaces about him gets a pkmtyolp. Just look at the intern thing with Kerry. He denies and the press says O.K. No credit card records are asked for, no proof is offered by him or is it asked for by the press, but Bush has to show pay records, dental records and everything he has from when he was in the N.G. to prove an allegation that was hashed over in 2000. These liberals are disgusting!! " atomheart: The Dems get a pkmtyolp in the liberal media all the time. There was not a SINGLE mention about the intern on the major networks. If so, it was probably just slightly brushed upon. Now, if it was Bush you would never hear the end of it. Anything negative about the president, no matter how miniscule, is repeated ad nauseam. If Bush forgot to leave a tip at a resturant you would hear about it from Dan Rather. And people try to say that there is no liberal bias in the media.  |
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Post by marysia on Feb 24, 2004 16:29:00 GMT -5
"We'll never see these questions raised because, like Clinton, Kerry is "their guy" and everything that surfaces about him gets a pkmtyolp. Just look at the intern thing with Kerry. He denies and the press says O.K. No credit card records are asked for, no proof is offered by him or is it asked for by the press, but Bush has to show pay records, dental records and everything he has from when he was in the N.G. to prove an allegation that was hashed over in 2000. These liberals are disgusting!! " atomheart: The Dems get a pkmtyolp in the liberal media all the time. There was not a SINGLE mention about the intern on the major networks. If so, it was probably just slightly brushed upon. Now, if it was Bush you would never hear the end of it. Anything negative about the president, no matter how miniscule, is repeated ad nauseam. If Bush forgot to leave a tip at a resturant you would hear about it from Dan Rather. And people try to say that there is no liberal bias in the media. you know what i can't understand about all that -- why they're not questioning or asking - you're correct if it was bush there would be stories all over. however -- i hope people will stop and notice one thing from all this -- have you noticed that President Bush is not pushing for answers or bringing these things out into the forefront of the election - even though they are doing it to him?? seems like instead of spewing the venom back - he's <dare i say it> turning the other cheek and pressing on with the realities of the office not the trivalities. |
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Post by Kee on Feb 24, 2004 19:42:48 GMT -5
however -- i hope people will stop and notice one thing from all this -- have you noticed that President Bush is not pushing for answers or bringing these things out into the forefront of the election - even though they are doing it to him?? seems like instead of spewing the venom back - he's <dare i say it> turning the other cheek and pressing on with the realities of the office not the trivalities. Umm.... guess you missed the news then. Just this morning I heard on the way to work, as a matter of fact that Bush, who so far has been vocally quiet in public appearances, finally stepped out with his attack yesterday or today on democrats. It was the typical rhetoric of how democrats will increase taxes - Ha! -- never mind he failed to mention the astronomical deficit his administration is building. Oh, and let's not forget that the Bush campaign sent out an email video just the other week to 6 million supporters accusing Kerry of being the candidate of the special interests! The email video, in particular, just Doesn't measure up to turning the other cheek in my good book marysia. ;D |
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Post by genesda on Feb 25, 2004 5:50:06 GMT -5
Umm.... guess you missed the news then. Just this morning I heard on the way to work, as a matter of fact that Bush, who so far has been vocally quiet in public appearances, finally stepped out with his attack yesterday or today on democrats. It was the typical rhetoric of how democrats will increase taxes - Ha! -- Typical rhetoric? It's a fact! They have been complaining about the tax cuts ever since they were enacted and they still complain about them.
Maybe you don't know that the tax cuts are temporary and will automatically be raised if Congress doesn't make them permanant.
The Democratic candidate, most likely Kerry, will allow them to raise again, and it's NOT rhetoric.
If you don't like your tax cut, just send in additional money that you think is what you should be paying. It's that simple.
[/color] never mind he failed to mention the astronomical deficit his administration is building. Have you failed to remember what 9/11 and the Clinton recession did to the economy? How about REBUILDING the intelligence gathering abilities of the USA, that suffered astronomical cuts under the Clinon administration THAT KERRY VOTED FOR! Do you think our security is free?
That's right, the Clinton recession. It was in the making BEFORE the election which Bush won.
Before the election bush said it was coming and the Democrats tried to say Bush could talk a recession into existance. As if anyone could speak a recession into existance. Why didn't he just speak us out of it? When are you people going to open your eyes?
Did you complain about the deficits Clinton was proposing until the Republican Congress forced him to accept a balanced budget?
Did you forget about Clinton"s $200,000,000,000. deficit "as far as the eye can see" speech? You probably did.[/color] Oh, and let's not forget that the Bush campaign sent out an email video just the other week to 6 million supporters accusing Kerry of being the candidate of the special interests! The email video, in particular, just Doesn't measure up to turning the other cheek in my good book marysia. ;D I'd say it's about time! After months of attacks on Bush by ALL of those lying Democrats, he finally talks back and you disappointed in him for exposing the truth about Kerry in just one area!
What a joke! After all, Kerry accepts special interest money and then says he wants to get it out of Washington! What a hipocrite. Bush wasn't complaining about special interest money, just the hipocracy of Kerry's remarks!
Stop listening to the spin and pay attention to the facts, if that isn't too much trouble. Then again, the Democrats never let the facts get in the way of a good slander.
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Post by marysia on Feb 25, 2004 8:47:04 GMT -5
Umm.... guess you missed the news then. Just this morning I heard on the way to work, as a matter of fact that Bush, who so far has been vocally quiet in public appearances, finally stepped out with his attack yesterday or today on democrats. It was the typical rhetoric of how democrats will increase taxes - Ha! -- never mind he failed to mention the astronomical deficit his administration is building. Oh, and let's not forget that the Bush campaign sent out an email video just the other week to 6 million supporters accusing Kerry of being the candidate of the special interests! The email video, in particular, just Doesn't measure up to turning the other cheek in my good book marysia. ;D actually i had been missing the news as i'd been sick. however -- for over 6 weeks of continual bashing but the democratic nominees hopefully i think many of us were wondering when he was going to stand up for himself. i laugh at the whole - tax cuts for the rich nonesense. if someone pays more taxes - guess what - they can have the option of getting more back! i am neither rich nor a parent - therefore i didn't get any special tax credits - should i whine about that? you know, in reality - when you prepare your taxes this year check what your "taxes" really should be and what, after your deductions, they actually are... last year after the basic mortgage and such i should have only paid 28%, which IMO wasn't too bad, however - after all my charitable and medical deductions -- i paid only 9%. i'm sure had i paid more my refund would have been higher but -- how can you get back what you haven't paid?? |
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Post by Kee on Feb 26, 2004 2:14:45 GMT -5
Typical rhetoric? It's a fact! They have been complaining about the tax cuts ever since they were enacted and they still complain about them. Maybe you don't know that the tax cuts are temporary and will automatically be raised if Congress doesn't make them permanant. I am very aware of the tax cuts and the phase out ...hence my HA! Wiping out a surplus and driving up the deficit to astronomical amounts is something Bush is very good at. He did the same thing as Govenor of Texas. Considering this and his bankrupting a couple of oil companies before that -- I wouldn't trust him with my checking account. Sure, right after YOU and the rest of country sends in their fair share too. Unless of course you are suggesting it's a better plan that you should get a free ride on my back and join the ranks of the rich, Bush's corporate favorites and energy elite . ;D I recall a lot easier time of making ends meet back then. The economy was in a lot better shape and the reality is, inflation has strongly outpaced my wage increases over the past few years. It's a difficult squeeze now and I make a decent salary. As for security -- Bush's foreign policy is the biggest threat I've seen since the cold war. Yea, yea.... I've heard this before, and I don't buy it. Clinton was in office for eight years and times were good all that time. Unemployment was way down. Inflation was low. Bush took over an incredible surplus. Where is it now? As for the rest -- I pay attention to my checkbook BECAUSE -- that's where the buck stops for me. Can I pay my bills, keep the roof over my head and put food on my table? Period. |
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Post by genesda on Feb 26, 2004 5:46:15 GMT -5
Sure, right after YOU and the rest of country sends in their fair share too. Unless of course you are suggesting it's a better plan that you should get a free ride on my back and join the ranks of the rich, Bush's corporate favorites and energy elite . ;D I recall a lot easier time of making ends meet back then. The economy was in a lot better shape and the reality is, inflation has strongly outpaced my wage increases over the past few years. It's a difficult squeeze now and I make a decent salary. As for security -- Bush's foreign policy is the biggest threat I've seen since the cold war. Yea, yea.... I've heard this before, and I don't buy it. Clinton was in office for eight years and times were good all that time. Unemployment was way down. Inflation was low. Bush took over an incredible surplus. Where is it now? You're showing your ignorance of the facts. THERE WAS NO SURPLUS!! It was only on paper and was a PROJECTED surplus. If there would have been a REAL surplus, that woul;d only mean the government was TAKING TOO MUCH MONEY from the tax payers, and ANY SURPLUS should be returned to the ones who coughed it up to begin with. Government has no business having a surplus in the first place.
Once again, send in all you consider to be YOUR fair share and leave my money alone!
I doubt seriously if I'm "riding on your back", or anyone else's.
By the way, there wasn't even any talk of any kind of surplus until the Republical Congress balanced the budget. [/color] As for the rest -- I pay attention to my checkbook BECAUSE -- that's where the buck stops for me. Can I pay my bills, keep the roof over my head and put food on my table? Period. I don't see anything in your posts but typical liberal rhetoric based on nothing but hatred for Bush.
You twist the facts to suit what you wish to believe.
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Post by Kee on Feb 27, 2004 0:25:06 GMT -5
Oh really? I guess you are forgetting that little tax refund we all got in the mail after Bush took office from that surplus. Guess you just got a xerox copy of a check and not a real one, eh?
Ignorance? Yea.... I'm looking straight at yours allright. Course....could just be denial.
ROFL..... ;D
ROFL.....
You mean if the government wasn't stupid enough to SPEND IT so there would actually be something to left over to return.
Nah..... I plan on making you accountable at the POLLS just like the rest of us who work hard for a living. Too bad for you that those who supported Bush are now recovering republicans.
ROFL......
Am I to be impressed by your trite republican wagging finger blaming and labeling everything you don't like liberal? Hardley. BTW, I don't hate Bush, but rather find that his policies, administration, spending, tax favortism for his affluent corporate buddies, and overall his entire running of this country as President frankly sucks.
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Post by genesda on Feb 27, 2004 6:08:29 GMT -5
Oh really? I guess you are forgetting that little tax refund we all got in the mail after Bush took office from that surplus. Guess you just got a xerox copy of a check and not a real one, eh?
That was a tax cut, not a distrubition of any "surplus" money.You mean if the government wasn't stupid enough to SPEND IT so there would actually be something to left over to return. Duh! How could there be a surplus when there is a deficit? [/color] Nah..... I plan on making you accountable at the POLLS just like the rest of us who work hard for a living. Too bad for you that those who supported Bush are now recovering republicans. ROFLOL Am I to be impressed by your trite republican wagging finger blaming and labeling everything you don't like liberal? Yes.[/color] Hardley. BTW, I don't hate Bush, but rather find that his policies, administration, spending, tax favortism for his affluent corporate buddies, and overall his entire running of this country as President frankly sucks. How old are you?[/color] |
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Post by Kee on Mar 1, 2004 1:06:08 GMT -5
Old enough to remember JFK being shot and watching his funeral on a black and white TV. Sorry if that blows your theory about what age I might be, or how many President's policies I've been observing the past four to five decades, depending on how you count them. 
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Post by genesda on Mar 1, 2004 5:19:36 GMT -5
Hardley. BTW, I don't hate Bush, but rather find that his policies, administration, spending, tax favortism for his affluent corporate buddies, and overall his entire running of this country as President frankly sucks. How old are you? I'm not completely satisfied with Bush either, but considering what he inherited and what was thrown at him, he's not doing so bad as president.
The question is, what makes you think one of those liberal Democrats could do as good as Bush has done?
As far as tax cuts, those who pay more logically get a bigger cut when cuts come. That's not hard to understand, and why should a rich man pay more than anyone else to begin with?
Do you wish to punish success?
Are you a communist?
It is immoral to expect one man to pay more for the same services that another gets for less.
Do you favor making the rich pay more for bread, electricity, gasoline etc.?
I suspect you're a envious person at heart.
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Post by Pietro on Mar 1, 2004 10:20:08 GMT -5
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Post by MorningStar on Mar 1, 2004 11:34:28 GMT -5
Hey now Piertro, that's just liberal propaganda in the liberal media.
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Post by genesda on Mar 1, 2004 11:39:45 GMT -5
Hey now Piertro, that's just liberal propaganda in the liberal media. ;D You don't know how right you are. The only extra monies that was coming into the treasury was from SS deductions and that was being spent too.
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