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Post by IamLight on Jul 30, 2003 9:25:41 GMT -5
Are you able to step back and see the circular logic of that statement? Sorry Heathen, I didn't even read your response yet when I posted mine. Oh well, hammering the point in.
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Post by IamLight on Jul 30, 2003 9:28:15 GMT -5
Yes, I certainly do. Circular reasoning does not make something a non-fact. Nor does it provide any substantiation or evidence that something should be accepted as truth. Stating that as a REASON why you believe is meaningless. Your better off simply stating that you have faith that the bible is literal truth. You'd have a stronger foothold on faith then circular logic.
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Post by Kee on Jul 30, 2003 10:58:31 GMT -5
Kee, you KNOW that the Bible is NOT the literal, infallible, inerrant breathed word of GOD, and I know that it is the literal, infallible, inerrant breathed word of GOD. I don't know who told you it wasn't, but as far as it being so, well, the Bible told me so! God told me BBB, and I don't doubt God. If you are going to go through your life believing that God does give you guidance, but when the time comes that God reveals to you what you have in ernest seeked to know, yet you then choose to ignore it -- what have you done? What was the point of ever having faith and a relationship with God at all if you don't really believe in it?
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Post by woodyblueeyes on Jul 30, 2003 11:05:52 GMT -5
You and I have a completely different understanding about our words, about the Bible, what it's for, what it does. I KNOW that it is not the literal, infallible, inerrant breathed word of God [/color][/quote] Question: Kee, how is it that you KNOW this? Are you stipulating that you KNOW for a fact? Or is that your stand, your opinion, your belief? Or as another (or maybe yourself, I don't remember) put it in another thread...the truth that you believe to be the truth?
sometimes this back and forth banter gets a little misconstrued and confusing...yes? hehehe
Woody
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Post by woodyblueeyes on Jul 30, 2003 11:07:50 GMT -5
Kee, I apologize...I didn't see your prior answer before I posted that....
So, God tells you that his Word is not infallible, it's not perfect, it's not all His word....yet he tells others that it is........
now THAT could really get confusing
Woody[/color]
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Post by Kee on Jul 30, 2003 11:21:57 GMT -5
Kee, I apologize...I didn't see your prior answer before I posted that....
So, God tells you that his Word is not infallible, it's not perfect, it's not all His word....yet he tells others that it is........
now THAT could really get confusing
Woody [/color][/quote] Hee hee...well not confusing at all, but overwhelming would be accurate. It was a tremendous amount of information, so it did take me a little while to organize it.
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Post by woodyblueeyes on Jul 30, 2003 12:14:54 GMT -5
I feel the need to apologize also...I think I jumped the gun on the meaning of this post...
When you typed that Ruiz used the quote from the Bible about the Word (Jesus Christ), well...nevermind that but......he wasn't speaking of the word of God...he's just merely speaking about the spoken words that people use......
So, I think I was getting the wrong impression of the post......sorry about that.
Woody [/color]
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Post by k8reader on Jul 31, 2003 20:59:26 GMT -5
Well Kee, I think this was the area you mentioned before. I enjoyed the opening essay, even though I don't think it is right to have a non-Christian interpret what the apostle John was referring to in John 1:1. I doubt this guy is a Bible scholar. But, I agreed with some of the things he said. Scripture has many things to offer regarding our speech. One of my favorites is in Proverbs: Pro 15:1 A gentle answer turns away wrath, But a harsh word stirs up anger. Pro 15:2 The tongue of the wise makes knowledge acceptable, But the mouth of fools spouts folly.
How's that for a zinger ! I do not agree that words have the kind of "power" suggested by the author. If that were so, clichés such as "actions speak louder than words", or " a picture is worth a thousand words" would have no basis for existence.
Religions talk about sin and sinners, but lets’ understand what it really means to sin. A sin is anything you do which goes against yourself. Everything you feel or believe or say that goes against yourself is a sin. You go against yourself when you judge or blame yourself for anything. Being impeccable is not going against yourself. When you are impeccable, you take responsibility for your actions, but you do not judge or blame yourself.
From this point of view, the whole concept of sin changes from something moral or religious to something commonsense. Sin begins with rejection of yourself. Self-rejection is the biggest sin that you commit. In religious terms self-rejection is a “mortal sin,” which leads to death. Impeccability, on the other hand, leads to life.
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